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Trajectory of Desire by p00n Totenkinder, SNORLAX, S.N.I.D.E, Møuse, Lank, The Villain, anna one

November 6th, 2007 9:01 PM

INSTRUCTIONS: Create a new group for SF0.

CLICK HERE FOR THE S.N.I.D.E. SIMULATOR (TASKS AND ALL)

The website linked above contains our entire proof for the Trajectory of Desire task. It seemed like an effective and easy way to present our ideas for a new group.

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Here's a few words about what we did:


mlmqf327245.jpgLANK:

When I received that original message, I was flattered, but wary. First of all, who's this clown messaging me? And they want to create what kind of group? But after seeing that comrades P00n and Lowteck were at the reigns of this beast, I was more confident.

My initial reaction was that I wasn't interested in a group that's all about nihilism and pranks. It just wasn't interesting to me. What got me hooked on the idea of S.N.I.D.E. was the deeper significance of the group's aim, and how that fell in line with my own personal philosophy. Specifically, I've always been interested in the dynamics of order vs. chaos and creation vs. (for want of a better word here) destruction. I love the cyclical mechanics of the natural world - how birth, growth, death and decomposition are all equally important parts of life cycles, for instance. I believe that the human race as a whole, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, is very interested in and supportive of creation and growth, whereas destruction and decomposition is shunned. But there is art in the way things come apart, if you choose to look at it in the right light. Which ties in nicely with my belief that the best gift you can give a person is a new way to see the world. This relates back to the order/chaos thing. People put a lot of work into maintaining order in the human-made world, but too much order tends to make brains shut off. S.N.I.D.E. seeks to insert a rubber wrench into the cogs of our daily routine, and I support that whole-heartedly.

The issue of our difficulty keeping an Equivalenz player on board was a concern for me. I thought we were doing fine when we got Mr. Dragonscales on board to replace our original candidates, but he had to pull out just before our proof was released all over the Praxis. His departure is understandable - the GYØ Brotherhood is tight, and when GYØ calls, you gotta go. I thought we were screwed at first, but then I realized two things. First, Ben solidly did his part to get S.N.I.D.E. rolling, so we did collaborate with an actual Equivalenz player. Second, Mr. Idol is the perfect replacement candidate - he's a virtual Equivalenz player! And using him to complete our Cheat task was a stroke of genius.

I created some tasks and did a little tasking and gave what guidance I thought might be useful. Kudos to Lowteck, P00n and Mouse for all of the effort they've put into this. I'm very proud of our group!



POON:


The Idea of S.N.I.D.E. arose during my senatorial Campaign. I had the Idea for a prankster group. I had observed over my time in the game that the most dynamic and exciting moments were when two or more players, for lack of a better term, messed with each other, At the time, being before dueling was instituted as a game mechanic, there was not much of a means of instigating these encounters. I envisioned a group that would enter sf0 with a different kind of view. One that saw every task completion as a vehicle to not only have fun but have fun with their surroundings and shake things up. In my mind the ideal snide player would create completions that would force players and non-players alike to question their roles as well as reality and that player would do all of this with a touch of Lokiesque deviance. My aesthetic vision for S.N.I.D.E. was reminiscent of C.O.B.R.A. from old school G.I. Joe. The name came from that. I felt it needed to have a name that was part terrorist, part playful. The word snide came to mind instantly and the anagram developed from that. It started out as The Society for Nihilistic intent and Destructive Efforts, but even though the name was tongue and cheek I wanted to make sure that S.N.I.D.E would in no way misinterpreted as a negative force within SF0 so destructive naturally became Disruptive which allude more to change than destruction. I brought my Idea to Lowteck who ironically had been having the exact same idea for a new group. We joined forces at that point and selected a few more players to fill out our ranks that had shown the most propensities for creative deviance.

This letter was sent from S.N.I.D.E. to M0use, Mantooth, Jeremy, Lank, Lowteck and I, (Miss annaone was brought in to beef up our awesome once we found out about all the heavy hitters that BU had assembled for his project and Villain played the part of a double agent enlisted by BU to steal our secrets but ended up completing a S.N.I.D.E. task for us and what should be a S.N.I.D.E. task for Mr. Unit)

Due to your recent or past task completions, we have taken notice of you. We are offering you the opportunity to be a founding member of S.N.I.D.E. The Society of Nihilistic Intent and Disruptive Efforts. If you are interested in accepting our offer your responsibilities would be to help us develop the group identity. You would be asked to contribute ideas for what would become S.N.I.D.E. Tasks. You would also be asked to complete a task in the spirit of S.N.I.D.E. You must also commit to forsaking your current group and Joining S.N.I.D.E. once it is created. In return you will be added as a collaborator to Trajectory of Desire. All task completions, task submissions, any graphics, or text will be used in this proof.

this is a rough draft of our mission statement. please read it; contribute ideas if you are interested.

We are S.N.I.D.E. We are the Society for Nihilistic Intent and Disruptive Efforts. We are the adversary to order. We are the Pranksters. We are the Fools. We wish to administer a wedgie to the world. We act through the sole desire to reflect the system in a fun house mirror; to show that everything is a game, and nothing is worth any more than the value it is attributed by the person perceiving it.

Other groups believe that what they are doing has meaning. what we do is devoid of dogmatic trappings. We understand that every action enacted in the world creates a ripple of effect and consequence. This consequence, being either positive or negative, is not the direct concern of the Society. We leave it up to our individual members to decide on their own in which ,if any, quadrant of morality they wish to reside. We are not destructive. The system must continue to function, For without it we have nothing with which to meddle. We are not cruel for If we alienate ourselves there will be no one around with which to play.


If you are not interested please respond asap so we can find someone else from your group to offer this to.

Thank you,
-IDOL

M0use Was the first to voice concerns.


Well im very much in and excited, im a big fan of chaos, play/games and creation through chaos so it sounds good to me. The line about this not being a negative force in the game cleared up my main concern, but i do still have one large worry.. the name.. Snide "Derogatory in a nasty, insinuating manner." are we branding ourselves in a position that were going to have to constantly explain we are not?

I responded


I Like the acronym, but I am open to other suggestions. I think if or mission statement clearly not aggressive or negative then the name will be a bit more innocuous. I think the idea of the group being slightly adversarial will make for good game play as a whole.

but adversarial in a playful way. No one needs car bombs or hostage situations

From the onset of the creative process there was an active discussion about our role within the game and possible danger for adverse effects. I believe Lank said it best with:

I think SNIDE fills a gap in the current compass of Groups, a gap so wide that one might think it was intentionally avoided. To me it's like legalizing narcotics - chaos junkies are gonna make chaos anywhere they can, but put the making of chaos into a legitimate context, thereby taking the stigma away, and maybe some real creativity will result.


I think with the numerous revisions of our mission statement and the level of consciousness with which we created tasks I feel that we have successfully overcome this issue leaving S.N.I.D.E. no more “dangerous” than another group. The second hurtle to overcome was the ability to keep = players. Mantooth and Jeremy vanished soon after the process began. Charlie Fish was our third and final attempt who backed out days before the posting. Thankfully I had the foresight to make S.N.I.D.E. = for this very eventuality. Mr. Idol made Himself an official player by stealing his way to the top of the front page there by completing the S.N.I.D.E task Cheat!.

Thankfully for me Mr. Lowteck might very well be the most thorough SF0 player in history. He repeatedly staved off the Task Hitting the Praxis every time for the better. He has done a marvelous and most dedicated job of keeping the whole project from falling apart. The tasks were created by all. I made the logo and the ennagram. LT created the web page (cheers) and we all managed some completion of a S.N.I.D.E. task. All in all I feel like I have put more of myself into this completion than any other. And I am very proud to have been a part of its creation and implementation.

-pp

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La Moustache Fausse

La Moustache Fausse


Kancho

Kancho





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posted by Meta tron on October 12th, 2007 3:01 PM

I find all forms of falsehood and trickery abhorrent.

*edit* This comment was made when I was still masquerading as The Villain for SFZero Doppelganger and is a joke that don't make sense now.

is that so?
posted by p00n Totenkinder on October 12th, 2007 3:04 PM

edited due to confusion over a player mob

[burn unit the rambling poet really really really wants to join S.N.I.D.E.]
posted by The Revolutionary on November 6th, 2007 9:18 PM

La réforme oui, la chienlit non.

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posted by Darkaardvark on November 6th, 2007 9:22 PM

What say the players of SNIDE to the thought that your trajectory of desire is not really a trajectory of desire but a style of gameplay that could be adopted to any of the existing groups? Don't get me wrong. Some of those tasks are *great* ideas (others not so much, but that's true among any subset of tasks). But I don't know if this all deserves its own group.

It seems to me that the spirit of SNIDE runs through most every player, whether in smaller amounts or in massive quantities. SF0 is not a game of embracing the status quo. No one plays SF0 to CONFORM.

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posted by Burn Unit on November 6th, 2007 9:29 PM

FISH! days? they said? but butbut... days fish, days? kapow went the bowstring a ting a ling ling the fallen out starbursts and the many asides the loose limbed headwomen all a-limned with their fires, the finger golden reaching, grown a-glow with red desire? ices and mices and just one little wish—their praxis was lacking because of one missing Fish?? and on technical grounds our heart's desire forced to punt, with mr. fugaisey because you're ... ? aghast! avast! The bishop's done, the knights are loose, the pawns are all a-queened!
little bonny brook trout a swimmin in the tyne, your heart's all right your record's safe, but our noses now are splined. but who'll shore their eyrie up? who'll patch the books? when counting's done or some angel makes a dread and crimson cross, who'll stand for these fierce rooks?

Here's the thing...
posted by Lank on November 6th, 2007 10:32 PM

What I decided when I looked at the existing Groups a while back, was this...

Aesthematics: "If you consider yourself an artist, click here!"
Biome: "If you dig plants and animals and the environment, click here!"
Crisis: "If you're into social justice and helping people, click here!"
Equivalenz: "If you like to tinker with machines/computers, click here!"
BartPA: "If public transit gets your blood pumping, click here!" (OK, honestly, I've never truly understood BartPA...)

I know plenty of people for whom none of these categories are really appealing. Hell, we all know of someone who refuses to align himself with any of these Groups. I've found myself talking to people about the game, people for whom the crazy antics are a draw, and losing them when trying to explain the Groups. The Groups don't really cover crazy antics, so they appear to happen as an unintended byproduct of tasking. Why not have a Group whose "goal" is to have a lark?

Don't get me wrong - I LOVE the Groups that we have (although I still don't quite get BartPA), and I'm a proud Aesthematician and wannabe Humanitarian.

These Groups seem to me to each have a "constructive" vision of one sort or another. Each one buzzes with ideas like "creation" and "improvement" and "positivity". THESE ARE ALL WONDERFUL THINGS! But these Groups seem to me to exclude those for whom being "constructive" is not of importance. Some folks don't want to have a point. Some folks just want to have fun, and that's why I like the idea of S.N.I.D.E.

This Group we've made is not the green light to hooliganism. This community polices itself pretty well, and our collective intolerance for bad behaviour is quite clear. None of us condones harmful or destructive behavior.

Instead, it's my hope that S.N.I.D.E. can be an avenue for those who just want to have fun to find legitimacy here, rather than just the feeling that you have to be "positive" and "creative" to belong.

A pie fight in the middle of downtown? I know it was an event rather than a task, but the fun of that (which I'm sad to have missed!) is WAY more up S.N.I.D.E.'s alley than that of any of the other Groups. The other Groups will still exist, so why not add a little more pie fighting action?

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posted by Jellybean of Thark on November 6th, 2007 10:51 PM

Oh, okay. I think I get it.

Hooliganism, no.

Pranking, si.

Yes?

I've always seen it as a good prank being a valid art form. A sudden, weird, and goofy jolt can help shape perception and emotion as much as many things. As well, help draw attention to an issue the pranker feels strongly about.

Well, that's what I'm understanding from this.

But it's own group?
posted by Lincøln on November 6th, 2007 11:00 PM

I love so many of the tasks created, but I have to agree with DarkAardvark in that SNIDE is really a way to play the game, I see it very much akin to The Villain. Dax is nothing like The Villain, but he played one in the game. He was in a group and fulfilled that group's trajectory of desire just fine while playing as a villain. I see no reason why anybody can't play in the spirit of SNIDE.

To out myself as a geek, SFØ is very much like D&D, where the groups are like races, elves, dwarves, etc. and you can play with any alignment you choose, like playing as chaotic good (my favorite and along the lines of SNIDE) or lawful evil (like The Villain) or lawful good (like Bex, our hero), we have yet to have any chaotic evil characters (although SNIDE sure seemed to be when he jumped up to number one on the player list)

So I guess I'm saying that maybe along with choosing a group you also choose your alignment? Although the ability to change your alignment from task to task or moment to moment is nice.

I saw no tasks that wouldn't fall neatly into another group's purview. Maybe show me a task that could only be done by SNIDE and no other group and maybe I'll consider. Not to compare the two, but CE came up with plenty of tasks that fall under no other group's realm.

All that being said, I want to do many of the tasks created here. Good work guys.

Lincoln:
posted by Lank on November 6th, 2007 11:21 PM

Chaotic, yes; evil, no.

In fact, not even "chaotic" in the D&D sense, since that implies an antipathy to "lawfulness". S.N.I.D.E. is more accurately about embracing disorder.

And I don't really see how S.N.I.D.E. is perceived as a style of game play, since it doesn't insist on any particular way to play the game, that I'm aware of. Can someone clarify that for me? We're not suggesting that potential S.N.I.D.E. players should adopt any specific attitude or aesthetic or verbiage... or whatever else makes a style of play. It's just a different reason to be playing - specifically, no reason other than to have fun!

Barbapoca gets it. But he love the Marx Brothers, so there you go.

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posted by SNORLAX on November 6th, 2007 11:25 PM

A NOTE:

i haven't read any of this thread yet, but as i write this message, the website is an old version. the tasks and completions are slightly different. someone just posted it before i had a chance to finish it.

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posted by SNORLAX on November 6th, 2007 11:40 PM

there, done enough

si snide est la chienlit, disons oui a snide qui ravagera
posted by Fonne Tayne on November 6th, 2007 11:45 PM

chega de reformistas. les gens et travailleurs de la ville de saint françois apparemment disent un oui categorique a la chienlit ou a l'une des formes de cette desire ....


et la petite barbe, que serait un marxite, deja savais

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posted by anna one on November 7th, 2007 12:01 AM

Can you say that again in Esperanto, you know, just for clarity?

esperanto no otra lengua romantica si
posted by Fonne Tayne on November 7th, 2007 12:47 AM

si snide és caos, diguem sí a snide que devastarà

la gent i treballadors de la ciutat de san francisco sembla que diuen un sí categòric a la caos o a una de les formes d'aquest desig.... i la petita barba, que seria un marxite, ja sabia

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posted by Bex. on November 7th, 2007 2:02 AM

So, less nihlism, more dada then?

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posted by Meta tron on November 7th, 2007 6:30 AM

I said I would vote if I thought you had put heart and soul into it as that is my personal criteria for voting on stuff. That or if it's funny.

I'm voting for:

sexy illustration
the mustache fausse completion
a working website (!)
approx. 5 of the SNIDE tasks (though they're not designed to appeal to the likes of me, anyway)
The full topsy-turvy completion


Criticisms:

even though every single contributor thought the name was misleading, you didn't change it. and don't give me any not pandering to touchy-feely public opinion bullshit, the name is the first thing new players will see and that makes important. In fact C.H.A.O.S. would seem to be the true name for the group you have created (it can't be that hard to make up a suitable acronym for ANY word).

even though this task started roughly the same time as I started playing the task completions you chose to present mostly revolve around the interactions with Burn Unit that happened in the last couple of months. Where's the rest?


*edit* After decrypting Mr. Unit's comment, I'm also confused as to how Mr. Fish managed to be involved with both ToDs at the same time...

the rest, my dear...
posted by p00n Totenkinder on November 7th, 2007 10:36 AM

...is the work put into the inception of tasks and general discussion of ideas around what S.N.I.D.E. is and should be. There are scores of emails that have been left out of the proof so as not to bombard you with blather.

C.H.A.O.S. is not the name of the group nor does it function as so because that would limit the tradjectory. Although chaos is one element, so is the idea of pranksterism, chalenging conformity, and creative disruption. S.N.I.D.E. is, infact, the perfect name for the group. It covers, conceptually, all of these elements and many more. the word snide sounds playfull to me, where as chaos sounds more.....stoic...elemental perhaps, not suited for the feeling of the group.

Mr. fish is slippery.

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posted by The Vixen on November 7th, 2007 10:38 AM

Maybe I missed something but... why is UofA evil?

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posted by p00n Totenkinder on November 7th, 2007 10:39 AM

cause there are too many of you, Burn Unit is a memeber, and it is a joke.

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posted by The Vixen on November 7th, 2007 10:43 AM

I know it's a joke. But you don't give reasoning in your little enneagram,. I think it would fill it out and add a little more background if you gave descriptions. But hey, that's coming from a long-text-eater. So maybe you're just content with the symbolism.

That's ok too, I guess. You've just made a lot of enemies. And enemies crave verbiage. Satisfy your enemies, and you've made a friend.

I remain neutral.

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posted by p00n Totenkinder on November 7th, 2007 11:07 AM

the enneagram is baised on this model which gives no pretense beyond symbolism. I am content with that. Enemies deserve no more consideration than friends and in most cases a good deal less.

as far as a reasoning for the model...if any new group is entered into the game the old model becomes obsolete and a new one is needed. I have filled that need.

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posted by The Vixen on November 7th, 2007 11:16 AM

Sounds good to me.

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posted by Malaysian Eddy on November 7th, 2007 11:37 AM

I just wanted to say that I'm sorry I originally thought you all were the devil incarnate. I love you all and you have my votes!! There is always plenty of room for growth and change w/in this game and you all are taking it to a new level. Even though I'm too lazy to read all of what you've written....

sigh...
posted by SNORLAX on November 7th, 2007 5:30 PM

10 hours on the praxis. mostly at night. unfortunate that such an undertaking is so quickly doomed to obscurity so quick.

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posted by Lincøln on November 7th, 2007 5:38 PM

Doomed to obscurity?
I don't think anybody will forget SNIDE anytime soon. I will actually be altering my player alignment to SNIDE (chaotic good) often in future tasking.

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posted by p00n Totenkinder on November 7th, 2007 5:47 PM

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posted by Lincøln on November 7th, 2007 6:21 PM

I will alter my alignment, but won't change my group.
I like the concept of SNIDE but not as a group.
Does that make sense?

If this was a discussion forum task, I'd vote, but as a Trajectory Of Desire task I cannot in good conscience vote for it.

I hope that isn't offensive, I appreciate the amount of work that went into this and I actually do the Topsy Turvey task almost every day, as I, like Lank often turn the phone handsets upside down whenever I pass one among other things.

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posted by Burn Unit on November 7th, 2007 6:23 PM

oui. apres nous, la deluge.

pfft
posted by p00n Totenkinder on November 7th, 2007 6:45 PM

lame

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posted by Fonne Tayne on November 7th, 2007 7:22 PM

my algorithm says your personal binary number equals 67.

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posted by p00n Totenkinder on November 7th, 2007 7:30 PM

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posted by Loki on November 8th, 2007 2:51 AM

First off, let me say that writing this feels really strange. I normally think of myself as solidly pro-chaos. Pursuit of the absurd and confusing is my religion and my pastime. I've often listed "pranks" as a hobby on official documents. Even destruction is right up my alley. Hell, I'm usually the guy who brings polite conversation to a halt by defending vandalism.

But, I've got to say, my initial reaction to S.N.I.D.E. was similar to what other players have said already: unease, and anger. Why? Here's an attempt at discussing what it is about S.N.I.D.E. that rubbed me the wrong way, which may also explain some of what's motivated the hostility shown by other players. (Or, at the very least, it may start a flame war with p00n. Nothing like a good flame war against a worthy adversary to get the blood moving.)

Ninety-nine percent of the time, the answer to the question, "do these people need a big, obnoxious send-up to remind them that what they are doing is absurd and they ought not to take themselves so seriously," is "yes." There aren't a whole lot of institutions, belief systems, world views, or social conventions which don't deserve a pie in the face.

But, there are exceptions. When people are pursuing something just because it brings them joy, and especially when they're not taking themselves seriously in the first place, (two attributes of just about everything in SF0), pointing out that they're playing a game doesn't do any good. I just pisses people off, and makes you look like a bully.

It's the difference between the phrase, "Father Murray, whatdoya think Jesus would trade me in exchange for five barely used souls," and the phrase, "I'll give your toy back to you if you admit that it's not a real horse." The difference between throwing a pie at the chairman of the board and throwing a rock at hand-blown glass wind chimes. The difference between heckling a celebrity funeral and heckling a junior high-school play.

And yet, I know you, the creators of S.N.I.D.E. I've admired your praxis and comments here since I started playing the game, and I consider half of you genuine meat-space friends and all of you in-game friends.

I know you aren't the kids at the back of the auditorium who shout out rude comments at the theater geeks. You are the theater geeks. You're the kids singing your hearts out beneath a crappy paper-mache palm tree that keeps falling over. (Of course you may laugh about it afterwards.) You aren't the jocks who snicker when the fat mellophone player trips over her shoe laces. You're the first seat clarinet who sneaks three bars of Salt Peanuts into a tired Sousa march just to see if anyone is paying attention.

It's only because I know and trust the people behind S.N.I.D.E. that I'm willing to give it a chance. Can't say that I'm going to sign up any time soon - but then, I can't imagine why on earth someone would join several of the existing groups - so that doesn't mean it won't make for an interesting and worthy group. I just hope it winds up outward-looking, spending most of its time and energy sabotaging the real world, rather than attacking this neat little world we've created here. (And, given how much the players involved have contributed to SF0, I'm fairly confident my hopes will be realized.)

If you want to reflect the system in a fun house mirror, I say, more power to you. If you want to run through the shopping malls, museums, universities, stadiums, judicial chambers, and tract homes of the world flying a stained underwear flag and shouting, "everything is meaningless," be my guest. I'll even help you sew the underwear flag. But, if you repeatedly point out that SF0 players aren't likely to realize immersive artificial reality, create an urban utopia, save humanity from an impending crisis, or whatever the hell it is that Biome does, then my response is the following: "I spent months suspending my disbelief. Fuck you very much for trying to forcibly unsuspend it."

ps. The La Mustache Fausse completion is brilliant, as is Topsy-Turvy. Nicely done! And the new escape from the camera task is wonderful.

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posted by Lank on November 8th, 2007 7:55 AM

Loki and all others who have commented here -

Thank you for taking the time to express your feelings about our little creation. We're all glad that it has sparked so much genuine reflection and discussion. And Loki, your thoughts about S.N.I.D.E. being outwardly-directed are absolutely right. It's a little unfortunate that there has been so much internal counter-tasking going on, because I think it has made our goal somewhat misleading. That was mostly a product of having a "rival" ToD completion, and it was all in the spirit of fun, honestly!

At the same time, we S.N.I.D.E. folks feel tired of defending our baby. We've been embattled over this in private messages as well as comments here on the site. We all firmly believe in this Group, and I, for one, have read our Group's statement many times with an eye toward modifying it, but haven't made any modifications. I like it. And I believe we all stand behind the fact that our Group's "persona" produces more cold pricklies than warm fuzzies.

But if we're feeling so misunderstood, it's most likely because we haven't made ourselves clear. I think that some of our word choices ("nihilistic", for one) have had strong negative reactions that we didn't anticipate because we (S.N.I.D.E.-ers) all share a certain perspective on them.

Again, I'm really grateful for all of this discussion, and it's largely because out of this we may be able to modify what we've presented, or how it is presented (though we've already made that crucial first impression!) and thereby remedy more bile being provoked over this for the wrong reasons. Living garden of tasks, right?

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posted by Burn Unit on November 8th, 2007 9:25 AM

back to front belly to belly (now I don't give a damn cuz i done that already):
like a mirror! one heart! Mahakasyapa! (but ain't no Sakyamuni, and i'm the one smiling) but change what?

cold waters, transparent all the way to the sandgrains; but the old adam is a strong swimmer. our eyes do not cling, sight routinely abjures adherence. been asked a million times and say yes but not yes, yes? selah.

truth! lightning like! though feints and parries only. dances not newtons! not armed, not en-steeled. get the knives out if you want 'em but there's no master on these dogs. they run their own courses, choose their own heels.

Lying doesn't gain you any friends...
posted by Charlie Fish on November 8th, 2007 10:11 AM

I've been a bit behind on the praxis - I only just realised this was out!

I admire you guys hugely for all the effort you've put into this, and I've already contributed to the mass of discussions that this group has sparked. I think Loki sums up the case nicely above.

So I shall say nothing more except to point out that SNIDE has been pranking again - P00n's contribution to the proof above says "Charlie Fish was our third and final attempt who backed out days before the posting." Burn Unit and Mink were right to be surprised by that; I was surprised too!

Unless my memory has been subject to a mysterious black hole, I was never invited to collaborate with SNIDE.

here, here, lank!
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posted by Tøm on November 8th, 2007 10:49 AM

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posted by Burn Unit on November 8th, 2007 10:51 AM

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posted by Tøm on November 8th, 2007 10:57 AM

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And just to let you know...
posted by Tøm on November 8th, 2007 10:59 AM

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posted by Cameron on November 8th, 2007 11:04 AM

I spent a while trying to figure out what I wanted to say about this, but in hesitating, others said it better.

Like many, nihilism bristled me, at first; but it's clear there's very little nihilistic about this task. (It strikes me as odd that you chose a acronym instead of accuracy, but damn if that logo isn't beautiful.)

I agree with much of what Loki and Lincoln said; I think the entirety of SF0 aligns itself well with Chaos and Pranking, and I wholeheartedly embrace that ideal.

It was the constant dueling and subterfuge between the two Trajectories on both sides that killed this all for me. It felt somehow overly personal, and petty. It tore me out of a 'play' space, and made me feel like I was embroiled in some horrid office politics.

I see that it might have been fun for some, but it just left me feeling tired. It felt... destructive, and I love this game for being constructive. That's an entirely subjective opinion of course...

Early on, someone once told me that the only wrong way to play, is to tell someone else how to play. In the end, taking the piss out of everyone's pretensions, regardless of how absurd they may have become (UofA, I'm looking at you), seems to stray to close to this for my taste... but again, that is just my taste

But, this is a hell of good task representing some deep thought amazing work; and I will vote for that every time.

Sent in plainspeak? That's so retro!
posted by FZ! on November 8th, 2007 11:10 AM

I'm quite intrigued by this potential group, and while I share some of the concerns that have been brought up by other commentators, I know in my twisty little heart of hearts that if it had been an option when I signed up, I'd have had a very hard time refusing its subversive siren song.

better late than never
posted by Fonne Tayne on November 8th, 2007 12:22 PM

for clarity:

la popolo kaj laboristoj en la urbo de Sankta Fransisko ŝajne diras kategorian jeson al ĥaoso aŭ unu el la formoj de tiu deziro.

kaj la malgranda barbo, tiu estus marxito, jam sciis

Mr. Fish
posted by Lank on November 8th, 2007 5:49 PM

It wasn't a lie, it was a mis-print. Ben Forbes was the third Equivalenz player we had asked to join our ranks, not Charlie Fish.

And Ben did join us, for a while.

Sorry about the confusion!

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posted by Burn Unit on November 9th, 2007 6:54 AM

cam's right, like he usually is. you know I feel bad about that because if people felt like this rivalry thing was supported by my actions then that's on me. and how vexing! if some of this stuff is just on your own, independent of any villainous activities I took the point on, then you fuckers need to look in a mirror, get in your karmas and run over your dogmas, throw in reverse, and do it again. but if it's on me, and I acknowledge some of it is, then I'm the fucker here, y'know? fuck me. somebody, please

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posted by The Vixen on November 9th, 2007 11:13 AM

No thank you.

What happened to your poetry plague....? You were doing so well.
Sort of.

Soory, time to goh splash around in the Vahncoover rain.

BU
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posted by Doctor Cello on November 13th, 2007 10:22 PM

We're not evil. :(

If you have any further questions
posted by S.N.I.D.E on November 14th, 2007 12:13 AM

Please refer to our official statement seen here.

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posted by Lank on November 15th, 2007 8:59 PM

"I have the great belief in the fact that whenever there is chaos, it creates wonderful thinking. I consider chaos a gift."

--Septima Poinsette Clark

I want more.
posted by Ariock Knight on November 19th, 2007 8:50 AM

More, more, more, more, more.
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posted by Bryce on December 1st, 2007 4:37 PM

so it is billy idol!

S.N.I.D.E. may be fun. not sure yet though.

The university is not evil.