Dogmatics 101: Know Why by Chicken Farmer
June 30th, 2006 1:06 AM1. Logic and science dictate that the existance of god is unlikely.
Science is in the business of proving. No good scientist can claim to have disproved a theory without having proven a contradictory theory. Thus to prove there is no god is impossible because one must provide proof of a lack of existence. Logically, things with out existence cannot leave behind evidence. I can prove a criminal has been to an apartment because of fingerprints left behind but lack of fingerprints does not prove he has never been there. Thus we are only able to prove that there is a god not that there is no god.
The current arguments of a god is two fold:
First is the lack of other explanation for certain events. An example would be the evolution of the human race. Life, much less intelligent life, is unlikely to develop even if all the conditions are right. (Unfortunately due to limited space travel this theory can only be proven mathematically, but it still illustrates my point) Thus, an Intelligent Design theorist would say that god must have created man. To this I say the unlikelyhood that man came into existence on his own does not imply impossibility. It is unlikely that the criminal above entered the apartment and left no trace, but it is not impossible to do.
Second is antidotal evidence. A person will have an experience (speaking in tongues comes to mind) and this will bring them in touch with the spirit of god. Unfortunately I have not personally experienced these things but I can bring logic to the party. If god is all loving and all caring why wouldn't he want to show his existence to more people. And why would he not smite people like this? If god truly does hate a group of people then I don't want to know him anyways.
2. If there is no god, then belief in god is meaningless.
Obvious, but in an effort to cover all bases I will elaborate a little: love given to an inanimate or non-existant object cannot be returned and is hollow. Sad but true. (Hope I didn't ruin anyone's feelings for their teddy bear.)
3. Many people who believe in god feel purpose.
I currently believe god is unlikely to exist but still feel purpose in my life. (See 4 below) But having grown up in a religiously educated family and having attended church regularly for over 18 years I can attest to the number of people who would stand up and and talk about how their belief in god has turned their life around. How god has 'told' them what to do with their life. The number of prisoners who have found god and turned their lives around is simply inexplainable. Belief, almost without question, gives people direction in their lives. A good resource on the exploration of belief in modern society is American Public Media's Speaking of Faith for those looking for more on faith an purpose.
4. Purpose, by its very definition is not meaningless.
According to the New Oxford American Dictionary, purpose is "the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists." Thus I have stated that existing by its nature has meaning. This is the cornerstone of my belief system. Wether or not there is a god I believe this. Life is a gift whether bestowed by random chance, like the lottery, or by an all seeing god, who can also take it away. As with any gift we are morally obligated to use it wisely. "Why," you might ask, "are we morally obligated to use life wisely if there is no god?" The simplest answer I can come up with is that for any individual to be feel fulfilled they need to be part of society as this is the nature of our being, bred into us over many generations. To be happy as a part of society we must follow the morals of society. Only then are we an accepted part and allowed to live life as we see fit within the bounds of society.
There is nothing wrong with challenging society for the betterment of all, but challenging society for your own ends will only land you in jail with no friends. (Watch your ass in the showers, some one else may be thinking only of themselves as well.)
5. Belief in a meaningless god is purposeful.
If you are as confused as I am, welcome.
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Now it is such a bizarrely improbably coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [the Babel fish] could have evolved by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic."
-Douglas Adams The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
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Like Ink I'd like to know more. I think the buildup from 1-5 accounts for the belief in number 5. But each thesis you've enumerated along the way has potential for a defense. How do logic and science dictate? What is the relationship between the if/then statement in #2? What ways do we know that #3 is true? What does it mean that purpose is not meaningless?
Or something like that.
I must agree with Burn and Ink. Each statement that you have put forward seems to require some rather serious critique. What gives science the power (if it has such power at all) to "dictate"? What sort of proof (if any) does the existence of some greater force require? Even the notion of "purpose" deserves some attention.
It would be quite interesting to hear more and for you to perhaps personalize it a bit. What are your beliefs?
I just came back to this. Thank you so much- that's a really thorough job.








I agree with you, but you missed a little bit of the task. Flesh it out?
Critically account for what you believe and say by enumerating some or all of your beliefs and describing where they come from and what they mean.
I think it's more interesting, if you tell where you're coming from.