Hanging with Adam & Eve by Brandon Rice
February 3rd, 2008 12:53 PM
We did THE original sin
You should have seen the look on everyone in the stores face. they where looking at us like we were crazy because we were carrying around furs and fake fruit and animals. Not to mention the whole team thinks out loud so everyone in the store thought we were crazy talking about how fur would be perfect for clothes and which tree or plant would be the best, where we should do it, and who we should avoid. Not to mention we also looked super suspicous considering we were carrying all this stuff around then we just kind of stuck it somewhere and left in a hurry. It was alot of fun though. And if you want us to redo the task all together just comment us and tell us.
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Well, you didn't really, because that "original sin" referred to a very specific set of circumstances. You are not the only people on earth, nor are you the first. That apple wasn't forbidden from some almighty power and that tree it came off of isn't the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And I'm pretty sure you were not in the garden of Eden. Nor do I suspect were you cast out.
I think you were supposed to have come up with a sin that hadn't been thought of yet like poking badgers with spoons. Even if that were the tree of knowledge and you were the first and only people on earth and you met all of the requirements, it still wouldn't be original, you would have been copying the exploits of those two characters in that book.
Fail.
Flag.
Not only did you not commit the original sin, you didn't commit an original sin.
Basically what Lincoln said.
Oh, come on, Lincoln and DarkA. Haven't you ever heard of re-enactment? Haven't you ever heard of Theater?
In the words of the great Lawrence Olivier to the not-as-great-but-still-good Dustin Hoffman..., "Try Acting".
You, especially, Lincoln, should know the worth of this sort of praxis.
Vote for taking the directions literally and running with it.
Oh I know the value of re-enactment as well as good theater, but this is neither. As far as I can tell from the one picture and the one sentence (not even really a sentence) of this praxis no sin was committed at all, except maybe the sin of completing tasks poorly. And if that's the sin they were going for, then it's hardly original.
This proof has been flagged by 6 of your fellow players (for the benefit of all, flags are anonymous). As such, it has been automatically disapproved. Most likely, they've posted comments explaining why they're displeased. If you think you may be the victim of a bug, injustice, or a gang of Rubins, hit up the contact page.
Oh, and Brandon, I accept your declaration of foedom. I can't wait to see where us being foes now will take us.
Come on JTony, I'm all for taking it literally, but I like to think taking it literally can be done well.
Yes, but I think the level at which some are forcing (via the damn red x) others to work when they are relatively new players is likely to drive them away, first of all. Withholding votes or making negative or even re-constructive comments is one thing, but flagging is another.
Tom, I don't think the quality is that bad here, but we can differ. Is it earth shattering, splankingly amazing? no. Not even close. Is it cute and warm and cuddly and did it take at least some effort and thought? Yes. Did they commit a sin, no. Are they pretending to as A and E? yes. I think they fulfill the basic requirements for the task nicely, and the harshness with which the task is being smacked down is shameful.
I like seeing new players, and I like seeing them being helped by the community to produce better and better completions.
I've been there, an X'd task makes you think.
I think by the description of the tasks, not many have been handled correctly by Mr. Rice. I think most of his completions are flag worthy. I have only flagged this one. I didn't even flag this or this or even this. But the community agrees with me based on flags handed down. Now I have sent private messages to help raise the bar so to speak, and maybe they'll be heeded, and maybe they won't and you're right, he and his friends might be chased away from the game. And that would be sad. But it wouldn't have anything to do with our comments or flags or messages. It would have to do with they way he takes the criticism. Because even though there's no right way to play this game, it has become clear to me based on what I've seen in my time here that there is a wrong way. And the learning curve is steep for new players. Ask Ben there. But he stuck it out and became awesome. A legend even. I guess time will tell what happens to Mr. Rice and friends.
Here in the great state of Texas we have a state wide test and the prompt is usually pretty general that way it allows students to answer the prompt in different and creative ways. Task are similar to this. The task states "Commit and original sin" This can be taken many ways, my team took it as original to the bible. We don't all think alike, so I'm sorry we don't all have the same train of thought. This prompt was poorly written, and I don't think I should get an X for the writer's flaws
I don't know. The criticism overall seems harsh to me, lately. Having worked very hard to word my own criticisms in a way that both promotes better tasking AND keeps the hand of friendship open.... I dunno. I would find the criticism you handed out here as harsh, Lincoln, if it were given to me (though I haven't seen the private messages, obviously). I am finding other criticism to be harsh as well. Praxis that would have passed with maybe a "this sucks" comment before Interregnum seem now to be held under the X, and that's a problem for me. I'll shut up for now, but I'm sure this'll come up again somewhere else.
Brandon, please do something with this and re-submit. I think it has great potential.
Whilst I agree that that task could have been clearer, your proof was also poorly written and documented. I really enjoy taking it literally, as I'm sure many people do, and had this idea been presented well I would've enjoyed it.
Everyone's trying to help, unsubmit this, recomplete it putting your all into it, and resubmit it then, blowing our minds.
I don't think anybody has a problem with the biblical nature of the task, though I suspect there are many many atheists here like me, but I think issue was taken with the originality of the sin. And the cleverness of the task and the time spent and work put into it. It also says "commit" not "re-enact". Just helpful tips.
But try not to be such jerks, be calm. I think keeping your comments true but nicely written is the key to being a good moderator.
Good. I hope you do re-submit. And I think I was being tactful despite what you and JTony think. I suppose my
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was a bit harsh, but it was an inside joke with reference to Burn Unit. At least I didn't post a funny picture.
look I have been kicking it around here for almost a year now and if I have noticed one thing its that the words moderate and nice rarely apply. And if they did I probably wouldn't be very interested. I just don't know why everyone has to talk about it sooo much.
What can I say were flag happy! And happy to flag when shit seems like a waste of time.
I'll agree that it's not the greatest completion ever and I'm looking forward to seeing it done better, but the task's only 25 points.
Now, if this were a level four or five task, I'd probably be among the critical voices here, and if it were a level six task I'd've flagged it the moment it was posted, but for low-level stuff this seems kinda harsh.
(That said, I'd still love to see it resubmitted as something better.)
I'm in favor of the flag, not because of quality but because it simply didn't complete the task. It says commit an original sin and this sin was anything but original. Heck, it wasn't even a sin. Now I'm willing to accept bending the definition of the task, but my willingness to accept it is directly proportional the awesome of the actions perform and praxis submitted.
Bex's Secret Tasking Tips for nØØbs:
1.) Its all in the write-up.
Crappy tasking can be fun, but the secret to not making people hate on you for it is to tell an interesting story and have intriguing visuals, then folks'll dig it even if it wasn't inherently interesting.
Good luck to you Mr. Rice.
I'm with Bex.
Crappy tasking, written right, gets votes. Not very many, but some.
And I'm all in favor of encouraging newbies as they get through their crappy-tasking stage.
I was just comin by to disagree with somebody. I figured with this many comments and flags, somethin got said here that i'd be all pissy about. Which I guess is true by in varying degrees; but really I'm just here on reflex. Bex is right, but I'm not voting either (and everyone knows I vote for "everything" or whatever, right Lincoln?). Lincoln is also right. Except when he's wrong. For example, the task says nothing about needing to be cast out, just commit it. I guess praxis will be your confessional? 어둠의 단단한 is also wrong on the technicality that "the" is a set of "a" or "an". Blue is right and wrong because fanatical pursuit of praxis is correct, but the particular brand of non-niceness he mentions and links to is actually never in style.
And I'll post any pictures I want damn it
Damn, I knew we'd be with the funny pictures.
Funny pictures is the Godwin's Law of SF0.
And don't you dare ask me to rub your tummy, BU. I'm still recovering from the last time.
It's not a sin to eat an apple, but that's not the point. The reason that this has gotten flagged rather than just ignored is because there was a joke in the wording of the task - and you didn't get that joke.
It was already implicit that The Original Sin would not be original enough to count as a completion and it is by being obvious and lazy that got you flagged (one or the other can let you slip under the radar, but not both).
I agree with you that there is a merit to tactful criticsm, I don't want you to stop tasking, I'm not saying I think that you are a rubbish tasker - but seriously, before you take the upper hand, do you really consider this completion as it stands worth defending? Is it enlightening or clever or entertaining? Did hours of careful planning and hard work go into it? A good task will exhibit at least one of these attributes.
If you are playing for your own amusement and not to show off to the rest of us, fair enough - but don't complain about how we react.
If you are playing to contribute innovative and evocative tasks to the community, then you should put aside some time to attend to presentation and a thought about how people will be impressed.
Thus speaketh the Minktionary.
It appears you were punished by players for your sin :D
Did you gain knowledge? Were you cast out to suffer mortality? Any regrets? You could take this idea a lot further.