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I wonder how many monitors are pointed at this praxis.
Spidere, I want a monitor to monitor how many monitors are monitoring.
...not the first time somebody's made their writeup be their completion.
...certainly going to earn my vote when it's far enough along to be cool.
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Bah, there was no reason to unsubmit and resubmit for the free points, especially since you knew you wouldn't have finished posting it by last era.
No, the reason we did it was so it would be easier to find because of it's ongoing nature.
When I saw this as a recently-completed task it felt weirdly like I ought to be flagging it, and DA has put his finger on a big piece of why. He's right about how this looks; this has the feel of a point grab implemented after you realized having the points on this era would let you distribute an extra 3-15 votes each (depending how big the votes you spend them on are). Sorry, but that's kinda sketchy.
Whether or not there's a reason why you want it showing up on our updates page this time and not last, getting it there by resubmitting without recompleting, for points in a new era, seems potentially flaggable to me. After all, calling attention back to it so we'd find it could easily have been accomplished by posting a comment; it would have shown up on all the same updates pages. (And it's not like we can't find your old praxes, anyhow. There's a bunch of links underneath your badge hoard on this very page, and the top one says "Completed Tasks." This is not a hard-to-spot task.)
Here's why the resubmit doesn't quite sit right with me: either you consider this task a work in progress or you consider it something you have done that is still revealing itself. I personally see it as the latter, since all the other completions of Toynbee involved posting about the objects, which revealed themselves after the documentation was submitted and thus the task completed; this even goes for the other completion where the praxis-post itself was the slowly-revealed item. But given that view of how the Toynbee task works, the resubmit is an attempt to claim Everyday Life credit for something you did in Insatiability; this posting of it is therefore a retrocompletion. (Other resubmits normally aren't, since they tend to happen when you realize you did the task badly or even flaggably and resubmit with a new or significantly-expanded completion. Here, though, nothing more has changed than always was changing with the praxis.)
If you're claiming to still be completing the task in Everyday Life - that is, the task isn't actually complete when it hasn't yet revealed itself - then I think that interpretation says it isn't yet a completed task, which implies shouldn't be posted as a task completion. And when I see praxis that acknowledges that the task isn't complete yet, I flag.
I'm not flagging this now, because I've seen you do a great deal of very thoughtful work on this site; you both consistently know what you're doing. So I'm guessing there's something I've missed, in the above explanation. You guys have both been playing long enough and well enough that I honestly believe you thought through the purpose of your resubmission and are ready to tell me why it doesn't merit a flag for being a retrocompletion - and I expect to hear something that will leave me convinced it's not a point-grab justifiable only by denying the validity of the completion. If that expectation is mistaken, I'm going to flag this; for players I haven't come to rely on good things from I would do so without waiting.
EDIT:
Monotony has just given me a sufficient explanation of this as not being a grab for points. As I understand it, he feels Everyday Life was the correct time to post it all along and prefers to have it appear on this era, but because of the sketchy appearance of the resubmit he's offered to act as though this task did not confer him any points. As I accept this as a demonstration that his intentions were entirely appropriate, I'm not flagging, and I encourage everybody else not to either. I'm also eagerly waiting for it to finish revealing itself; it has the potential to end up looking really cool.
This isn't about points. This is not about having it be a retrocompletion. This was never about giving us a head start at Everyday Life. We don't want this to crash and burn. We don't want this to turn into something bad. If you think that this is a retrocompletion, I can live with that. If you flag this into oblivion I can also live with that. It's not what I think should happen, but if the rest of the game thinks that it's right, the rest of the game makes the rules, not any one person.
I think that we need to get away from the technicalities here. That's not what this task was about. The only reason that I decided to put it on for Everyday Life, is that this is just a place that I think is reasonable for it to be. It is a task, and everyone who can vote can view it here. In fact, I want to say right now that I want absolutely nobody to vote on this task until it is completed in full, however far in the future that may be. I will treat this task as though it does not exist point wise, and will also take no claims to high score for these points. This was simply the place that I thought this would go best, because it was closest to our happy little virtual home.
Yeah, this makes a lot of sense to me. (Note the edit at the end of my post above.) You're right that the era in which most of the revelation happens is the era it probably belongs in; my negative reaction to the resubmit was mostly a strange gut-level one that my very verbose post above was an attempt to express - but, as I figured would happen, the non-gut explanation of what's up was very simple and clear, and satisfied me that my gut was wrong.
I would like to one day see you make this O_o face in person. For now, I imagine it and chuckle to myself. I like to think the real life version is equally as amusing.
Explain yourself.
This praxis lost drive, do you think it was somehow related to a diminished drive in SFØ as a whole? I know my drive was diminished for a month or two there (as I tend to do in the winter), but I'm breaking out of my cocoon nowish.
I think what this winter lacks that last winter had are Nords. (Frostbeard, Thain Stormbringer & Jotun One)
Well, that and a war. And peace.
Holy cow, the Vikings! You're right.
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(writes here at the hope that it attracts some attention)
I saw you on the SFØ Monitor (thanks Spidere!)
All right--I'm watching you now.