Discussion Forum by Herbie Hatman
November 14th, 2007 6:47 PMJello Wrestling.
What better way to elucidate ones self respect and respect for his or her fellow leaders than by wrestling in a pool of purple jello? It speaks volumes to the players of this game. The raised level in player morale is valuable enough to merit this improvement alone. But I asked what better way... I urge you to read on.
Ladies and Gentlemen of sf0. Players of all intention. I ask you to examine the true possibility which we have before us.
Amongst us we have players with serious intent and simultaneously we have players who are simply out to play.
I ask you why not both?
I have studied symbolic logic. I have directed meetings for various boards and organizations.
I learned the word AND.
My proposition is that in celebration of the indoctrination of the Era of Insatiability Ian Kizu-Blair, Sam Lavigne and Sean Mahan wrestle in a pool of jello in San Francisco, California. The date will be sometime between the 3rd and 12th day of January in Dolores Park at time to be determined between them and I, which will then be publicly released. Furthermore, upon this praxis achieving the most votes, the second AND third place improvements will be implemented.
This is to say that as it stands right now, Ian, Sam, and Sean will have to jello fight AND there will have to be a history page AND old (retired) tasks can still be signed up for and completed, but not for points. I will update this praxis to reflect the final vote count before the end of this era.
With your assistance we can ensure that not only is there a history page, but that there is a jello wrestling match, and that we can still submit retired tasks (but not for points).
Thank you for your consideration,
Herbie Hatman
14 vote(s)
Lincøln
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Jellybean of Thark
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Lank
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anna one
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Bex.
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bill s. preston esq.
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Malaysian Eddy
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Tøm
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Fonne Tayne
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.thatskarobot
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Blue
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Myrna Minx
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Kid A
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GYØ Ben
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It seems so obvious.
That was some fast reading.
Additionally, I would like to extend to you and your compatriots that I would only do this to those who I like and respect.
Best Regards,
Herbie
Purple Jello is a good touch.
though i think your point about seriousness and play is well taken (and maybe really necessary as of late), this feels a little bit like a 5th grade student council election, in which the eventual winner of the presidential race promises things like more ice cream parties and does handsprings to prove her point. highly effective then, and possibly still now, here...
but somehow i don't like the idea of the sf0 boys being "forced" to do something embarrassing via the discussion forum task. it doesn't quite feel like a "celebration" to me. why not ring in the new era by having a jello-wrestling tourney for all? why do they need to be put on display in this way? still, though, i like the idea's silliness and that the jello is purple. i guess we'll see what happens. it'll probably be fun, if it does...but i can't quite vote for this one. something feels off.
I've seen all of them get messy. I'd be surprized if they were upset, but respectful if that were indeed the case.
I bet we can provide them with enough jd to make it worth thier while. and I'm sure we can spread the humiliation around to all of us.
I do hereby declare that if more than three individuals gather to wrestle in purple jello.... i will be there. And i will not be square.
I had a feeling SSI would be down if it got top votes, so there's no reason to not vote.
I'm afraid I'm with Jackie H on this one.
Abusing trust is sort of like Bestiality - more fun to joke about than to actually engage in.
But, should SSI choose to take part in a Jello wrestling match of their own free will, count me in for the Jello purchasing pool.
beautiful photo of a spoon, makes me think of Soilent Green. (the film not the evil foodstuff itself) That film really erotisied jam for me.
I'm not gonna vote for this because if it happened I wouldn't get to watch anyway so its not a very exciting prospect.
Loki, with your bestiality, and Mink, with your erotic Soylent Green, you make me laugh no end.
Meh. Jello isn't vegan, and it's a cheap way to piggyback on the votes of the Villian and myself. I'm with Jackie H. I don't need to be bribed by making the elementary school principal ride a donkey.
yeah, i wouldn't want to be cruel. If they weren't into it, i wouldn't be down.
But sitting in a kiddie pool of bizarre substances sounds like fun for me.
SSI can we get the word from you? How do you feel about jello wrestling?
I'm with Ink and Meta.
1) Jello is made of dead animals. We should instead have a Vienna Actionist revival.
2) I won't be able to participate.
First and foremost... Thank you all for taking the time not only to read this, but to react to it.
Additionally, I would like to remind you that there are two concepts simultaneously at work.
The first (which people seem to be focusing on the most) is that SSI would join us in doing something fun and silly in public. I have already seen Sean get messy outdoors, and I've seen Ian and Sam get silly and messy indoors. If you go back to Bex's post you can follow the links to see photographic evidence.
To put this into a bit of perspective to those who may be viewing this as cruel; I am asking them to join us for a celebration of the new era. I am not asking them to have sex with animals in public. I know those two things can get confusing for some of us so I hope that clarification helps. One cannot equivocate jello wrestling to sex with animals.
Additionally, and possibly more important for many of you is the clause by which the second and third place suggestions are integrated into this one. I think that this is perhaps being overlooked. Although I think that the history page is a good idea, it seems that it would already be happening. Whereas the (Retired) Villain's idea is also a very good one which may not otherwise get integrated into the game. S P A R also has some clever and interesting notions.
Before I digress completely please allow me address a couple of things...
Though some of you (unfortunately for us) don't live in San Francisco, I am sure that you are already keen to the idea that just about everyone in this game totes around some sort of device which captures images and often video. You will see the jello wrestling. And really, I refer back to the notion that the subversive part of this praxis is that the two runners up will be incorporated.
If you are not keen on the ingredient suggested perhaps an alternative suggestion?
And now I digress...
I do believe in ice cream parties. I do think that back flips are impressive. I would love to see the elementary school principal ride a donkey. Those things all sound like fun. For some reason I am getting a sense that playing and having fun is not always welcome to some players. There is some sort of philosophical disjunct between fun and intelligence. I do not hold this belief. I believe that rationality leads us to an understanding that fun is practically married to the intrinsic good; happiness. Intelligence and fun then are cohesive and not disjunctive. Why can't we have an ice cream party and good leaders? Should politics remain as something dry and void of play?
Furthermore... am I running for Senate by suggesting a jello fight? How did we get caught in this elementary school metaphor anyway?
Finally, a couple things about what this means for me and SSI.
First, I am very pleased to see how defensive people got for them. I like that we are so concerned for the creators of the game. I am too. I like what they have done here, and what they are continuing to do. I blame them for being the catalyst for already so many interesting interactions in my world. Thusly, I would not do this praxis out of spite, but out of respect. Obviously, if they contact me and tell me no... then no it is. I don't think that they will. I hope that they will post something here soon.
Furthermore, I wonder if people understand that I understand what I am getting myself into. These guys run the game. I am poking them. They can poke back with much more force than I have. There are all sorts of ways to get me back for this. A big red X would be a simple, but boring one. "Find Herbie Hatman and then pie him in the face" for 100 points would be more exciting one, but I'm sure that they can do better than that. The point is, is that I am cognizantly poking at a power greater than mine. They changed the post to read that the top voted praxis would be implemented "not" subject to their approval. I think they maybe expected something silly might happen.
I hope that it does.
Best Regards,
Herbie Hatman
Vegetarian Jello exists. It is not from Austria.
I'm still not sold. If my idea is moot, that's fine. If the Villain's idea needs to be pushed forward, people ought to vote for it, and not for your piggybacked suggestion.
I'm not saying that sillyness is not to be encouraged. I just personally don't find your innovation compelling enough to vote for. I take no issue with those that think it's charming and/or clever and/or funny. I personally do tons of ridiculous things daily that do not garner me points. I also convince others to do strange and funny things that do not garner me points. I just don't think your task completion is more thoughtful or innovative than the other top 10 completions. And though this is not a senate bid, it is a competition of some ilk, and I'd rather see the Villain's completion have the top score fleur than a "wrestle in food product" completion. This is not a personal vendetta, or a desire to retain the fleur- I think your tip the scales completion is clever, and well documented.
I know I take a different bent on SF0 than a lot of the other players, and I accept that, and I accept that my reaction will not necessarily be the same as other players, nor do I assume that my reaction is "right". I'm honest about what I feel, and would not have commented except for your specific email request for me to check it out.
I would entice you to consider zemaluco's linked suggestion of agar-agar, in your request for an alternate food product, should your pursuit for votes prove successful.
Introduction of agar agar was not meant to distract from the possibility of grander ceremonial usage for said animals / animal products.
I'd love to see jello wrestling. Let's invite SSI to particpate and make this an event instead of a way to improve SF0. If they don't wish to participate, it is evident that there are quite a few other players who would do so instead (or in addition, even). So, my proposal is - take this praxis down and add it as an event instead. Those who voted for this praxis can instead vote for the completion of the event. Those who have issues with the content of the jello or the cruelty against SSI can either choose not to come to the event, or show up and protest it.
Everybody wins!!!!
"Furthermore, upon this praxis achieving the most votes, the second AND third place improvements will be implemented."
I see you're the type that asks the genie for more wishes...