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We discussed it, but I forgot. Now remedied. Thanks.

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Dear SFØ Senators,

I have to agree with Blue. I find my desire to play highly squashed by the lack of ability to participate in the game in any way other than leaving loads of "i wish I could vote" comments.

I just don't feel like faking my tasking orgasm, and I either have to, to play along, or have to just sit it all out.... and as I hate faking it, I've chosen sitting it out... and I just think it's all pretty lame and wall flower producing.

Granted, the points don't matter... but getting to vote for a task felt like an SFØ Right, not a privilege determined by my socio-eco-pointing status.

Any game that only allows the highest ranking, highest scoring players to vote is elitist; and frankly, I'd like some Obama up in here to straighten things out.

Haven't we learned that trickle anything just doesn't work?!?!?! Reagan, Reagan, anyone?

Sincerely,
Your Player Constituent
Ms Minch

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I hear that sentiment Minch, but I have the opposing view for you. I enjoy voting, but to me it's not critical to the game. Voting comes in last about things I like about SFØ, tasking comes first by a large margin. If votes were not allowed, and only base points, I think the game would stay the same for me. It's about the tasking. Second on my list is commenting. I'd take commenting in place of voting any day. And not having vote points to spend makes me want to go out and task more, maybe it's just me, but I enjoy tasking and planning for tasking and getting out there and doing it. The votes are nice as a showing for how much you liked what I did, and I like to show same to the rest of the community, but for me my trajectory of desire has very little to do with votes. I like this new system.

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I don't get how this has a negative comment rating - Lincoln makes some good points, in more ways than one, but yes, I am now starting to see the very fabric of why I play this game (shameless self-gratification) tear soullessly into little strands of "meh".

EDIT: And Blue, there is a little bit of Rubin in all of us to hate it.

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yes, i feel pretty "meh" myself about something I once enjoyed a great deal.

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I used to task whenever it felt right.

Not being able to lurk, vote and enjoy inbetween tasks makes them feel kinda forced when they do get done.

Tasks should be fun, interesting and done when you want.

They should not feel like work, to let you play the rest of the game.

Ah well, each era's different. A nice point depression to fit the current global situation...

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Yeah, it just feels so much easier now to stop playing.
Maybe is all about player turnover, sure the new people don´t find the system wrong at all?

Just some numbers for you. +2

Everyone is capable of awarding at least 3 points by voting.
123 players are capable of awarding over 5 points by voting.
93 players are capable of awarding over 10 points by voting.
53 players are capable of awarding over 20 points by voting.
37 players are capable of awarding over 30 points by voting.
27 players are capable of awarding over 40 points by voting.
21 players are capable of awarding over 50 points by voting.
12 players are capable of awarding over 60 points by voting.
5 players are capable of awarding over 70 points by voting.
3 players are capable of awarding over 80 points by voting.
2 players are capable of awarding over 100 points by voting.
1 player is capable of awarding over 200 points by voting.

EDIT: These do not take into account any points that have already been awarded.

Gotta pay to play? +2

susy: this new player finds the voting economy interesting. I don't feel forced to task. I do feel compelled to task well, to accumulate as many voting points as possible. That is kind of a drag for someone who is a born member of the half-assed tasking society, or whatever it's called. But maybe that's a good thing? Sort of? This voting economy also forces me to be more contemplative about bestowing votes, rather than just votevotevotevotevoteing for almost every completion because ohmygodi'mnewandthisgameisjustsoeffingcooliwanttovoteforanyonewhodoesanything!

Finally, given the current voting economy I have observed that people who submitted completions for tasks from the last era have an advantage over those of us who did not play last era. The oldtimers control the leaderboard by bestowing votepoints that others lack. That fact rubs, a bit, I don't mind saying.

With all of that said, I can see the philosophy. "Gotta pay to play," basically. I will roll with it.

P.S. for ms. derkins

Don't you dare stop tasking! Pretty please?

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Flea, I did some number looking as well.

I looked at everybody currently level 3 or above (15 players) as of noon on Thursday the 16th of October.

Lincoln has 212 votes to give and has spent 185. Which means he has spent 87% of his votes.
Kid A has 100 votes to give and has spent 53. Which means he has spent 53% of his votes.
Morte has 80 votes to give and has spent 76. Which means she has spent 95% of his votes.
Rongo Rongo has 79 votes to give and has spent 26. Which means she has spent 33% of his votes.
The Walrus has 71 votes to give and has spent 39. Which means she has spent 55% of his votes.
Little Monk has 70 votes to give and has spent 26. Which means she has spent 37% of his votes.
Zer0gee has 67 votes to give and has spent 65. Which means she has spent 97% of his votes.
Saille has 66 votes to give and has spent 55. Which means she has spent 83% of his votes.
Ben Whitehouse has 69 votes to give and has spent 44. Which means he has spent 64% of his votes.
C.M. has 62 votes to give and has spent 52. Which means he has spent 83% of his votes.
Babe has 61 votes to give and has spent 60. Which means she has spent 98% of his votes.
KWAK has 60 votes to give and has spent 39. Which means she has spent 65% of his votes.
Charlie Fish has 59 votes to give and has spent 54. Which means he has spent 92% of his votes.
Secret Agent has 59 votes to give and has spent 34. Which means he has spent 58% of his votes.
Chris Wells has 58 votes to give and has spent 5. Which means he has spent 1% of his votes.

I'm not sure what that means, but it's there. If we arranged the players by percentage of votes spent it looks like this.

Babe - 98%
Zer0gee - 97%
Morte - 95%
Charlie Fish - 92%
Lincoln - 87%
Saille - 83%
C.M. - 83%
KWAK - 65%
Ben Whitehouse - 64%
Secret Agent - 58%
The Walrus - 55%
Kid A - 53%
Little Monk - 37%
Rongo Rongo - 33%
Chris Wells - 1%

Again I have no idea what this means, but the points are circulating. I can see why Babe and Zer0gee want more points to spend as they've 1 & 2 votes to give respectively. Everybody else has enough votes to vote for what they want (kinda).

I also love that of the top 15 players, 8 are women. That is cool.

Lincoln statistics!

Yay! I won voting! Thanks Lincoln for figuring that out!

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The Walrus agrees with the free-vote-points faction. Especially when there are less tasks. not tooo many of the ones we have now are enough inspiring to enough people, and denying a lot of SF0 the right to express the sentiment of WTAGT (wow that's a good task) just makes it less fun for all parties, in my humblest of humble opinions.
i must ask the powers that be...

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I agree with the Walrus. The whole of the new era situation has a bit of a stagnative (is this a word?)character cause even if you want to task (in order to get voting points? or what?) you have just a very small list of tasks to choose from where I personally can't find lot's of task I wanna do.

And: I did 3 completions in less than a month, what is probably the most I ever did, and still I can't vote for everything I want to. Cause I want to vote not only for the epicawesomewin completions, but also for nice completions, or funny or lovely ones or the ones of people I like cause they contibute in other ways to the community than epic tasking and especially I want to vote for well done first tasks of new players and I want to give 5 p's not 1 cause 1p is just one 5th of a vote and that's too less for good tasking.
I like the old system cause it was generous. The new system probably should make tasking more important then points, but I have the feeling that this doesn't work out. Actually the point issue seems to be more important then ever.

In my understanding a restriction of somethig nice like a vote that actually doesn't cost anyone anything and has no bad consequences at all for anyone in the game is just not logical. It's somehow artificially making something good and easy more complicated and untasty.

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Well stated, Babe. I totally agree. I go for long bouts without tasking (business, inertia, etc.) but voting was a lovely way to remain actively involved with the game and to express my appreciation for others' tasks, be they epic or charming or silly. And after being able to be unlimitedly generous with 5-point votes the whole time I've played, this feels stingy and sad. Points = appreciation. That's why it makes you feel good to give them and to receive them. It's not about score, it's about the love. At least for me.

More points != more appreciation +4

I feel like there are already a scale of ways to show appreciation; you can favorite a task, comment on it, message the player, level-zero it, submit new tasks inspired by and in homage to it if necessary, create a complimentary or honorary tag for the task... and vote. Voting at all is a stamp of approval, and the added degree is something people have clamoured for, and I want you to consider why.

Not because we want to show we appreciate some people less. We are not imagining ourselves with monocles and bushy mustasches, looking for a way to say "Pish, posh" to tasks that aren't worth a full vote. The one-to-five scale means something else, and we haven't decided as a society what it that is yet. I use it as a scale of how much I want to see more tasks like this in the future. I am literally handing over some of my power to affect SF0 to another player, telling them "I want your opinion and perspective to be heard by others."

Last era points were just part of a personal mission to level up, and have access to other tasks. With the idea that everyone was seeking additional points (from our votes) for that purpose alone, voting was just giving someone a helping hand, a gesture of appreciation. Now though votes give the player more than the power to change their own tasking, but also an increased stake in the forum and discourse of our society, a larger sway in encouraging and shaping new players and praxis.

I believe the base-number of points we all began with this era has just been increased to 25, so with single-point votes you can go show appreciation for more than twenty tasks. Or, you can show your approval and admiration of as many tasks and sentiments and ideas as you want, and ever want, and work out separately how to portion out the respect you have earned from your own tasking. Who to elect as steward of your vote points, to govern in the interim between now and your next praxis. I feel empowered.

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I'm gonna encourage everyone to put extra energy into commenting as a way to express our appreciation of great tasking. Votes are nice, but it's kind of like the difference between sending a homemade cookie care package and sending someone a gift card to Dunkin Donuts.
(That being said, I'm sorry about being behind the curve with voting. My excuse is that I've been off the internet for three weeks and will have to catch up.)

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lowteck.


i love you.


i am going to start voting with lol catz.

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And excellent choice, Jackie.