Tasks / ArticZero
Complete a task on the South Pole.
~or~
Install a telescope on the South Pole.
1 to 10 players
15 points
Level 1
In the zone of: Biome
Created by Blue
2 completed :: 2 in progress
Interested in collaborating on this: (no one yet!)
this task is retired
Comments
I want to see a video of him dancing on a glacier like this dude did.
And then I want to do some dancing of my own. ARTIC FLASH MOB!!!
Thanks, SPAR. That's sweet.
Wow, Eddy - I'm not entirely sure why that video is entertaining, but it certainly is.
Dude, everyone needs a little glacier dancing at some point in their life. Otherwise, what's the point of living??
I expect weekly updates of the different dances you invent whilst living on the big ice cube.
I promise, a dance a week, just for you Eddy.
My life will be complete now. Thank you Loki, thank you.
Hoooorray!!!! Thanks Loki!!!!! That was the best video to wake up to!
That was excellent. A million points for gryffindor loki!
Holly shit this thread is still going!
This is fantastic!!!
Where the hell is that damn comment-vote button?
Where's that 'watch this task' button too?
Awesome. I shall be glued to your dancing antics Loki.
And, for that matter, that history page these dances ought to be mentioned on?
Yes, BLUE- but I want to give the man points too.
Just go vote on some obscure completion of his that you looked over and link to the video or something!
I think with what he has been up to he will have enough points rolling in soon enough.
It's strange not to be able to find all my olé cohorts on the front page anymore.
Thanks Mr. Mascarpone. I thought for sure i'd voted for everything loki ever did. But one slipped by after all!
Mr. Marscapone: How many sockpuppets do you have who olé ? Many ? I do hope so.
also history for all
Loki, you so amazingly rock. Seeing these dances certainly helps miss you less, cause seeing you dance is like you're still right here. Antarctica right next door. Yay!!!
God bless you, Loki. SF is way less interesting without you.
WOW!! Week 3 is so rad! Thanks Loki!!
Rad? Are you all twelve years old? I thought this was a site for shit-disturbers and people with alternative values. Instead it's looking worse than Myspace. This is a BIOME task, you say - are you out of your minds? The South Pole is the least sustainable place on earth. It is maintained at massive expense and environmental degradation by the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars annually to Raytheon - a military contractor and a rotten corporation to the core. The science being done at the pole is cosmic background radiation. It's only purpose is to fuel a few hundred more arcane arguments on how many kazillion years ago the Big Bang actually was - and feed a cottage industry of PHD students who write their theses and lock down $100,000 a year professorships for the rest of their lives. On your dime because you're paying for the whole thing - or at least the kids in the projects are. It's a good scam - a collaboration with the military-industrial complex all the way. SP0?. You guys are embarrassing.
Wow someone seems to have an icicle up their butt.
Not going to name any names.Self Proclaimed Scienceguru.
Shit-disturbering can be interpreted on many levels from playfull to menacing.
Go SP0!
"Icicle up the butt". The sparkling dialog around here never stops ....
Sorry, but there is nothing cool or rad about some idiot doing dopey dances or posting pointless photos while ensconced in a military installation at public expense to perform a scientific vanity project.
Helping to destroy the only continent humanity hasn't yet shattered. Biome. Yeah right.
Clueless and ... nauseating.
Mr. Guru:
No doubt that vain and egoistic individuals traipse to the ends of the earth to assure their financial and social standing. Sensing your anger and disdain, I am obliged to say that our dancing friend represents the very best of our home here in the Bay - and you couldn't place either of those two adjectives next to his name. I assure you that the player in question is far from being clueless, dopey, an idiot, nausea-inducing, or pointless in his actions - and I don't believe he's even writing his own thesis, right now.
As to your comments about the research sector in Antarctica, and whom it serves, I agree wholeheartedly that the interests of the military-industrial complex are troubling - nay, frightening, even. I've never spoken knowingly in their favor. However, I've reported extensively on and had personal contact with a fair bit of the science that's resulted from investigations in the permanently frozen ice there. I'm no expert, I'll admit that readily, but research there definitely covers areas outside of inquiries into "cosmic background radiation," as you so forcefully insist. For example, information gathered in Antarctic glaciers about atmospheric composition has in turn allowed conclusions concerning the history of abrupt climate change to be made with rigorous certainty. Had you heard of this work going on, Mr. Guru? Certainly not all of the scientists passing through McMurdoch strive for such lofty goals as understanding the patterns of climate fluctuation in our Earth's history, but there are a few.
[ for reference:
Earth and Planetary Science Letters
Volume 203, Issues 3-4, 15 November 2002, Pages 829-843
also, previously:
"Large Arctic Temperature Change at the Wisconsin-Holocene Glacial Transition"
Science 20 October 1995: Vol. 270. no. 5235, pp. 455 - 458 ]
In response to your "biome, yeah right," I submit that this subject, of climate change, is unquestionably close to the hearts of biome-rs everywhere, considering the possibility of related effects to cause irreparable damage to all of our homes here on Earth. Furthermore, the group's stated trajectory of desire explicitly denies acknowledging the existence of a wilderness wholly separated from the built environment of human beings. Thus, at least from my humble point of view, SP0 could perhaps be one of the Zeroes with more "alternative values" - and more wonderful possibilities - than many others.
One question, dear Guru of sciences: You claim that the South Pole is a 'dead zone,' and yet insist that the presence of humans and buildings is causing serious damage to local ecosystems. Would we not do well to take advantage of an area with comparatively little that could go wrong, from an ecological perspective - rather than, say, invade floral locations such as Mauna Loa or the delicate Los Alamos to pursue our mad scientific advancement?
And in the end, sir, if a pet dog calls you names... does it really hurt that badly?
I got your page right here, now someone who knows more about Loki's expedition rewrite it!
Mr Hugo,
I don't know the guy. I can only judge from what I see posted. I was interested in what SPO coupled with a barber pole meant - so I clicked a few times and ended up here.
I know a bit about science. That doesn't mean similar material doesn't exist on lots of other blogs written by various grad students and post-docs all over the web, but on a site like SF0, it's unsettling.
The climate change work is at McMurdo Station. Mcmurdo is also an ecological disaster, but has a few redeeming characteristics: one being that supplies can travel by ship in summertime and another that some climate change and biological research is going on there that may have some meaningful implications. Perhaps.
The South Pole station, by contrast, is supplied only by plane, resulting in 260 smoke belching flights every five months and the importation of 500,000 gallons of fuel every year at a cost of $13US/lb. Soon they'll finish the Trans-Antarctica Highway (it's being built) - which will allow platoons of tractors to travel 1600 kilometers overland and free up the air force planes to pollute the other areas on the continent.
Research is not climate change-related at the pole: the large projects there are Ice Cube and the South Pole Telescope (your Loki is probably with one of those). Both are cosmic background radiation projects: one by drilling into the ice - the other looking up at the sky.
Sustaining life in an environment that is hostile to life is pyrrhic at best. And not very sustainable. It requires a massive outlay of reserves (200+ billion just to build the building and that's the third one they've built), huge annual payments to private military contractors (Raytheon Polar Services - a different division than Raytheon Iraq War Inc.) and transporting everything and everybody in and out on military flights.
Sure it's a triumph of manifest destiny, but aren't we supposed to be over defeating empty spaces to prove we can? What's the Biome trajectory of desire? Welcome to the 18th century?
He's doing a jig as the military-industrial complex is sustaining his existence somewhere he couldn't survive without them.
If they settle the Big Bang was 1.5 billion years ago or 1.7 or 1.8, does this change anything? Except for glacier-dancing guy, who gets a prestigious professor seat at a desirable university and doesn't have to slave away in Des Moines for a decade?
Sorry - not so cool.
Still pretty ambivalent about all this and pages like this aren't helping....
Sir~
Your comment concerning Des Moines confounds me. I was hoping to receive an answer to my single question (not the dog-calling-names one).
Thank you for your information that helps to separate the projects at the "Pole proper" versus at McMurdo (excuse my spelling assumption). However, I'm fairly certain that ice cores are collected from varied locations on the continent, (cross country skis? snowmobiles? the cavalry?) but perhaps are returned to or processed in McMurdo. A coastal sample (on land, more prone to melting) wouldn't seem to be as valuable as a more undisturbed location far from the ocean.
Hopefully Loki can respond as to his reasoning behind all the dancing. Maybe it would have been more appropriate for him to have brought his butler suit and cheese tray down there...
Well, whatever.
Just seems pretty bizarre to catalog all this cheery scientific plundering for career advancement as an act of environmental cacophany. I mean, what the hey?
This website is a bit confusing, if you ask me.
Guru,
I would like to say one thing, it it isn't Loki's fault. You don not have a reason to be angry at him, only at the environment destroying world. Little dances aren't destroying the world. Your original post, stating only "Ass" wasn't cool. Neither was the jab about this being worse than Myspace, and the jab about being twelve years old. (heck, I'm twelve years old.) SF0 isn't about making people look bad to make yourself look cool. It isn't about bragging, nor is it about anger. In reality it is about making things, thinking, being funny, and looking like an idiot because it is funny. Sometimes it's about acting like your three years old.
-Someone
University of Aesthematics,
Second floor, painting and lit department
Guru - The fact that Loki is posting weekly dances for me on SFØ from Antarctica is AMAZING, BEAUTIFUL, AND Most importantly Totally (without a doubt) 100% RAD!! I don't know too many people that have the opportunity to even visit Antarctica, let alone live there and be able to share video with their friends back home in San Fran. I'm hoping that you will learn to love the game and become as obsessed with it as we all are. Welcome.
And just in case you're wondering why our dear friend loki is dancing in the south pole is because I showed him this video. It's a video of a guy who traveled all over the world and to keep in contact with his friends and family, he posted video of him dancing in all the different places his visited. I find both videos to be absolutely charming. Because in the end thats all that really matters, the small moments that make your life special and the people that you care for.
Friends,
"If they settle the Big Bang was 1.5 billion years ago or 1.7 or 1.8, does this change anything?"
We can remove the instance from this question. We can turn it into the more important question which seems to be closer to the crux of the issue.
If they settle the answer to any historical questions does this change anything?
From this we can continue on the the core question at hand.
Does answering questions really change anything?
From here we can continue even further.
Does anything matter?
Nihilism is an interesting philosophy. It is dark and unpleasant. Surely, by the tone of the writer saying the antagonistic things above, it is clear that they aren't very happy. He or she is taking time to insult a community of people with whom he or she is not well acquainted. Instead of taking pleasure from this game they are having a hard time finding enjoyment from watching a friend being silly for the sake of being silly.
It would seem to me that the general philosophy of this community is more in line with pragmatic utilitarian hedonism. The notion that pleasure in the world around us is a worthwhile thing. That immersing oneself in a community filled with pleasures increases pleasure in one's own existence.
Admittedly, one of my favorite Shakespearean quotes is "(Life) is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." It was this quote that resonated with me when I was in a much darker place in my life.
It was this same quote that proved to be the back door out of nihilism.
I realized along the way that I was the idiot telling my tale. And since my individual life didn't ultimately matter in the grand scale of reality, that I could do what I pleased. I endeavor to make it full of sound and fury. In the best sorts of ways. Like dancing. And sharing silliness with my friends. Causing pie fights. Playing kids games.
I don't expect the writer above to be anything but defensive to this monologue of mine. But perhaps there will be a moment in the future when these words might come back, and a focus might be shifted toward pleasure and joy instead of antagonism toward strangers.
It is clear by the fact that we are all playing this game that we like to play. I hope that the people who have meandered in who don't like playing may quickly find their way out or instead quickly learn how to have fun.
Best Regards,
Herbie
Dude, guru,
Your comments would be better placed here.
Don't be a dick to Loki. We will jump your ass.
Well, no. I'm not going to fault someone for acting like their twelve years of age when they actually are twelve years of age. That would be silly.
But I didn't think that pranksterism came down to "looking like an idiot because it is funny" but if that's the goal than that's the goal. You said it. Who am I to judge? But whatever happened to poking at the soul-grinding system? Isn't that the point of cacophany? Or is this such watered-down cacophany that it's been reduced to entertaining your friends by acting like an idiot?
I read the thread and I understand that it is an imitation of another dopey video. That one was pretty lame, too. But at least it didn't have the utterly obnoxious element of claiming to be some task of environmental pranksterism and biomic cacophany. And it was a tourist, not a scientist who is part of the defacing of the last non-contaminated place left on the planet.
Antarctica isn't a game. It's a continent. Raytheon isn't a game. It's a military contractor getting millions and millions of dollars from the government, money that could be used to feed, to educate, to vaccinate, to protect. The United States could send that money to the developing world for AIDS care, food, micro-loans that could help thousands and thousands of people.
Instead we're trying to answer questions that don't need to be answered. And the people in the crux of this dilemma don't confront it, don't deal with it, instead they booze it up at the end of the world, get their degrees and dance on the glacier. It's a glacier of death. Not rad.
That makes me the idealist, not the nihilist. Too much of an idealist for this game, methinks.
As they say, you can try to do something or you can distract yourself because you're not doing anything at all. Thanks for elucidating the difference, Herbie.
Scienceguru,
Forget Antarctica for a sec, would you?
Instead we're trying to answer questions that don't need to be answered. And the people in the crux of this dilemma don't confront it, don't deal with it
IMHO, this is a highly valuable point and one that I personally feel very grateful to be reading here. (Someone told me that SFØ was "escapist", HA!).
You´re angry about that. Many more of us should be angry about it and act upon that anger, particularly if we happen to be looking at it from the inside. It takes balls. Tell me about it. (Quit your job yet? Erm, no, not quite yet...)
But see, as valid as the point might be, its timing and place turned out to be most unfortunate. The comments box of a virgin task is as close to the social forum as SFØ ever gets. The dance is not a task: is a gift to a friend, and a wink to the community. And, finally, you clearly do not know the guy. To have a player like that to dance like this is what is joyfully rad. Context.
Anyway.
SDerkins
Wow. Bubblesort's got some new competition, eh? Forgive me while I plug my ears and skip away...
Yay Loki! That third dance was supertastical.
Garmenbozia!
lets ignore the sockpuppet and hope it goes away.
Hey Susy,
I'm not going to forget Antarctica. Antarctica is the reason I made the original post. Because its a stupid, oppressive waste of resources and seeing it celebrated on a so-called cacophany website was upsetting (especially with that Biome reference). It's still looking pretty weird.
Yeah, yeah I quit my lab job years and years ago. Because it pissed me off then and it pisses me off now. I've been working in global health for years. And you really, really don't want to know how many anti-malarial mosquito nets I could have bought for the price of the flight that carried your friend into and out of Amundsen so he could fiddle with equipment and send you dopey Youtube videos. Multiplied by thousands and thousands over the years.
As for context: well it is true that you have a large site here, so perhaps there is some other place where you prefer comments, but here it was, it said: submit comments, I had a comment. It seemed logical enough at the time. Things posted on the web aren't private, remember?
I did follow the link you provided and I don't see your point. Actually it kinda defeated your point. Now I know that in addition to Antarctic research, the guy roams around San Francisco all night taking pictures of himself and writing long blogs. As he points out at the end, it's offensive to people who are actually without homes. I'll give him credit for at least noticing that. It's something. Not much, but something.
"Forgive me while I plug my ears and skip away".
That figgers .....
Sigh.
enough. in private messages I've challenged your behavior, said one or seven regrettable things, and even gone so far as to suggest you should quit. but you shouldn't. every text you've written seems to answer the complaints piling against you but ultimately you drag them back to Loki. Loki is my friend... but it's all been text, just like our private message exchanges have been. nothing you have said contributes to the fundamental nature of SFZero in any useful, philosophical or constructive way. because you have produced nothing but words and all the rest of us have produced nothing but words. now you will satisfy us with praxis for praxis is the thing that gives our game meaning. As much as I may change, I stand by that assertion: you have been challenged to a duel. Pick a task, pick your timetable. If you like, get a second--it'd be good to do a collaborative duel for a change. Take it; I've lost every duel I've had!
I will spot you 5 votes.
But god have mercy on your soul.
"the guy roams around San Francisco all night taking pictures of himself and writing long blogs."
Those pictures and long blogs happen to be one of the (imo) most inspirational completions on here. Perhaps you'd prefer Doorhenge?
Between being challenged to a duel and various people be-foeing me, that eighteenth century vibe is getting kinda intense.
I'm not sure you can demand that someone contribute to your community before they've even become a part of your community - lurking, being annoyed and mentioning it do not not exactly comprise a joining thing. It's more like an observing thing. And I will repeat the obvious comment that things posted on the web are sometimes ... observed.
I assume "praxis" is your term for the bloggy things with the long descriptions and pictures of your self-assigned tasks. I'm glad they give you a sense of meaning, but dialog isn't such a terrible thing. Some of that is required in life. Just voting on each other's blogs has an element of mutually-assured complimenting that is a little pat. I know it's an old joke, but you've heard that one about the parents so determined to boost junior's self-esteem that they throw a literal party every time he/she toilets or ties a shoelace. Junior ends up a little bitter later on. All this awesome and supertastical and applause and rad and amazing over .... not much. It's a little hard to fathom.
One of the private messages conveniently referred me to Greenpeace. Well yeah. The actions they do to confront illegal whaling ships in ta-dum ... Antarctica are pretty damned rad. Really. Inspirational. And brave. Biomic. Deserves some votes. And some bucks. There's your challenge duel. Equal the funds spent on maintaining this thing on a donation to Greenpeace for their Antarctic campaign. Think your friend would get behind that while jigging?
I'll spot you five bucks ...
I suppose you'll re-link me forever and I didn't have the time to watch all of your door videos, but as best as I can figure out, you painted a bunch of doors, dragged them to a park, and braced them up. Then you all got drunk. Then some time later, Parks and Rec took them all down. Okay. Seems slightly less obnoxious than a long blog about staying out all night without a twenty in your pocket. I guess I'm glad you had a playhouse for a few weeks. But it doesn't seem to have had much impact on anybody else besides yourselves. Next time, build an actual house that will protect someone from the elements who is sleeping outside. I know it has that Habitat for Humanity earnestness to it and you seem to hate that: but it says a little bit more about private vs. public than having drunken parties in a secret art exhibit. Seems to, anyhow.
This is talking, not trolling BTW. I don't really care one way or the other, but I'm not one to fail to reply if someone talks to me. (Although I lost interest in one private message that got excessively semantical. Sorry, but not wasting time on that).
So for what it's worth, since some of you seem to enjoy battling and foeing and dueling, why don't you rise to a challenge and do something with this site and your community that rights a wrong, tilts at the powers-that-be, jams them up and makes something real change in a more positive direction. Or keep playing Myspace. Your call.
Who are you?
Why did you come here?
Nobody at all. Just what I said. I like art and revolution. Thought that's what this was about. I checked it out. Was intrigued by that SPO logo, figured it had to be the South Pole, so looked at it. Said yuck and here we are. That's all.
In the meantime, some of you kept posting links and writing to me, so I read them.
Well, now that we have that answered- can we move on from this endless critique and get back to playing this pointless, immoral, unartistic and non-revolutionary game?
I think it may be too late for that. YHBT, YHL, HAND.
amoral, if you will, not immoral, if it can be helped.
with luck, ignorance of praxis will prevent any (auto)critique from getting out of hand here.
incidentally, lowteck, how's the kite?
I'd love to get back to it all. Love to, but this "guru" (who I believe knows less about science than he/she says) is really pissing me off.
Look, Guru. I don't mind you coming in here and pointing out some of the things you have, like how our use of Antarctica is not without its environmental footprint... that's good information. What I don't like is the tone and the insults. Your first comment was to call Loki an "ass". Thankfully you erased that, but replaced it with comments that used the terms "clueless" "nauseating" and "embarrassing". Not truly insults, but "fightin' words" nonetheless.
And your complaint about us criticizing you when you haven't "joined." Dude, you signed up for the sight, got a password and everything and started making comments. That's joining if I ever heard it. Really. Look it up in any dictionary. It says "If you've got a password, you've joined". So quit bitching about being a member or quit. And if you are a member, do some tasks or quit complaining when people criticize your comments. Dig?
Next. Doorhenge. You said, "but as best as I can figure out, you painted a bunch of doors, dragged them to a park, and braced them up. Then you all got drunk. Then some time later, Parks and Rec took them all down. " You missed a big part of the history, Bucko.
You see, I had signed on to SF0, but hadn't done anything on it for more than a year. Then Doorhenge happened, and I heard about it via the Tentacle list on Laughing Squid (google them). I thought it was cool enough that I took my son. He was inspired. His art quality and output improved just from the visit.
Week or so later I took my daughter, because I was still inspired. Someone who didn't appreciate art knocked 6 of the 10 structures down. I looked at my daughter (8 years old, by the way) and she at me and the 2 of us decided right there to fix what we thought was an awful crime.
I drove home, got a hammer and a camera and the two of us went at it. Just a few hours later and ALL of the structures were standing and steady. 1 (then) 39 year old man and 1 8 year old girl were inspired enough by the wonder that the people of SF0 had put together in Doorhenge that we put that extra work into this piece of art to keep it standing.
And you know what, no one messed with it again after that until the Parks and Recs folks finally removed it... more than a month later (seems more like two months... anybody have an actual number of days). Clearly the Parks and Recs folks didn't want to remove it, but eventually had to as we knew they eventually would.
And so what if drinks were had there. Ever notice that at art receptions they server lots and lots of wine? Ever been to one that didn't?
Now, I know you're going to say something like, "why not have you and your daughter put that kind of energy into inventing a new kind of solar cell that homeless people can use to heat their socks". My answer is this isn't a zero sum game. We can enjoy Doorhenge AND help the volunteer at a homeless shelter. We can dance in front of a camera AND do some serious work to help the environment at Antarctica. We can be shit-disturbers and have fun, separately and together.
Your problem is that you see the world myopically... if someone isn't doing something that helps the world in a way in which you approve, they are worthless (or at least that's what you've been saying, so if that isn't it, clarify). The world doesn't work like that. Even the astronauts on the moon took out some time to play a little golf.
Then again, you're going to say that we shouldn't have gone to the moon, that we've left it a mess and it was put together by the military industrial complex anyway, so it is worthless. But you see, it is that myopic vision again, focusing to narrowly and ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. So many ways our world had changed, both for the better and the worse, because of the moon landings. But I think the better is worth it, and Apollo 13 is an awesome film. Besides, I like my Tang.
Finding out more about the big ban, when it happened exactly and what occurred when it happened could turn science on its ear. It isn't just a historical question, but a question of great physical import, which could lead to answers to questions posed by string theory, or now "M" theory or whatever it is being called currently, which could drastically change the way we look at and relate to the universe around us. It is not frivolity. You may not believe it is worth the price tag, bot economically and ecologically, and I think you've got an argument. But you couch your sensible words in such vitriol that it is difficult to take you seriously. Other than to get mad.
So what's your goal here, Mr./Ms. Guru? Are you here to play, or are you just here to piss people off. If the second is your goal, you've succeeded, and so now you can quit. If the first is your goal, start playing and quit working so hard at the second goal.
Welcome to the game. Now play. Or don't.
Oh. one more thing.
The 12 year olds (and those in that general ballpark) play this game with more kindness, more cheer, more grace, more cunning, and more enthusiasm than I'll bet you've shown in your whole lifetime or are likely to show this side of your tombstone.
They mimic the adults who have been playing this game a little longer. Perhaps you might want to try to read, enjoy, and mimic as well. I'd suggest starting with the adult Praxis (praxis is simply the term for the text and visual proof of a tasks completion and the comments and votes attached). You might not be ready for the intensity of our younger players' proofs.
Over it.... looking forward to week 4 Loki!!!
When this is all said and done, I hope you compile a video of all your dances cause I'd love to see them all together with some music....
Yeah, I agree with you Eddy. I'll shut up now. I just hadn't gotten a chance to put in my 2 very pissed off cents.
Looks like I put in at least 4 with that comment... yay Loki!
No one's complaining here. This is talking. I realize it's more fun to talk and not get talked back too, but no such luck. Talking often results in being talked back to.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for mild comments on the troublesome aspects of Antarctic research, but you have to realize that the motivation for bothering to make a comment at all was ... irritation. One doesn't journey through the web idly providing information for no discernible reason. There must be a motivating trigger. Motivating trigger: irkdom. It sometimes happens that way. Not the end of the world: it happens. Decided to say "well, that's kinda irksome". Turns out you can't say anything unless you register. Decided it was worth the five minutes to make the comment.
Which interestingly enough set off much thin-skinned reaction (personal messages as well as public) with a sea of links to attempt to uphold the general amazingness of the glacier-dancer - stay out all night guy and the doorbuilders and the rest of all this. Which is fine - obviously you all wouldn't be creating this sea of blogs if you didn't think there was something worthwhile about it, but it's a little vacant to the casual observer and I'm not sure that you change their minds with all these protestations to the contrary.
It isn't worth the price tag, environmentally or economically. Obviously. It's a little weird to have to contest that on a so-called alternative site. If I wanted NASA-cheerleading there's always disney .com to get romantic about rocket ships or www.usaf.com to get all gee-whizzy about military planes conquering the polar zone. Not much sense to doing that in anarcho-land. If I wanted conquistadors, this is a weird place to visit.
The point of my myopic viewpoint is that you don't separate your energy and creativity from the things you care about. Bring the fucking art TO the homeless shelter. Don't sleep off your tasking at an anti-war protest. Sleep in your bed and bring that energy and creativity TO the anti-war protest - that needs it.
You think you can do both, but resources: energy, creativity, money - it's entirely a zero-sum game. You spend it on pointless shit - not enough left. Whatever it costs to run this server (somebody made a reference to that in a private message) - it's money that ain't being donated somewhere else - somewhere it's sorely needed.
You get your heart and your mind and your life working together.
I don't want to play your game. Because it's just that: a game. Look at your last few praxis-thingies: (at the time I wrote this) - cheating on a toll bridge, throwing darts at a list of your own wants, and leaving a paper heart in a voting booth. Maybe that's average, maybe it's not - I dunno. Intensity? I mean, its fine, who cares, except maybe for the toll booth cheating, but so what? What merits all this picture-taking and explication? If it's just the astronauts playing golf, then why on earth do all this work to document your spare time escapism? And if it's supposed to mean something, than what?
It doesn't make much sense. If it's a pointless game, than it's just a complicated version of myspace/facebook and a waste of time, energy and resources. If it's some profound challenge to the soul-killing machine, then ummm.... challenge it.
Fuck with the environmental despoilers, those who allow people to live on the street with no homes for real, the computer titans stealing your privacy, or whatever else your group descriptions express anguish about.
That might be intense.
Now enough of this. I don't have anything else to say. Nice visiting with you.
Dear Scienceguru!
My hat is off to you for persisting in this bizarre correspondence. I appreciate the "conversation" that you have brought to this "table".
I'd like to clarify a couple of things. Sorry if I re-state things others have said, since I just read though these comments quickly to get up to speed.
This website is for a game called SFØ. (Lots more info about it on the "About" page.) It is many things to many people. For some, it's just a lark. For others, it is a community base for like-minded fun-seekers. For others, it is incentive to change the world.
I'm sorry to hear that your impression of the site was that is was cacophony-related. Although SFØ players have much in common with The Cacophony Society, pranks and "meaningless madness" are only part of what SFØ players seek out.
Nor does this site claim to be a forum for saving endangered ecosystems or fighting social injustice, although it's easy think that it is from reading the descriptions of some of the "Groups" involved in the game. In fact, the Biome group on SFØ is more concerned with the "living structure of the City" rather than, say, Antarctica.
In other words, the groups aren't real! We made them up! It's a GAME!
There's a bumper sticker that says, "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention". It's a neat sticker, but it's not necessarily true. I'm living proof that you can pay attention and not be outraged. Don't get me wrong - I used to be like you! Volunteering with environmental protection organizations, contributing to wildlife-saving funds, protesting for animal rights - you name it, I did it! Then I stopped. I won't go into the philosophical reasons behind that decision here (too much text), but I'll be happy to expound on them privately if you wish. Suffice it to say I'm happy.
I am glad for you that you still feel that fire inside to go out and make a difference. Go for it!
But please, PLEASE know that you won't get anyone on your side by attacking them with ill-informed accusations and being rude and disrespectful.
EDIT:
Just saw your last post. Again, thanks for the challenge to go out and save the world. I believe that my entreaty for you to use non-alienating tactics was perhaps too weak. Here's what I suggest:
If you want to save Antarctica from Raytheon, instead of posting nasty comments about this guy "Loki" who you don't know, why not send him a message asking how you can team up to bring Raytheon down? Hyperbole, I know, but you get the point, right?
My point is, you attract more flies with honey than with napalm.
Thanks!
I wonder if Scienceguru ever goes surfing or watches TV or plays miniature golf or goes bowling or plays video games. I wonder if he'd think going to the movies is a "waste of time energy and resources". Where do you draw the line between having fun and making a difference in the world? And when you come across a site like SFØ that blurs that line, does it make the site inherently bad? Does it make the players idiots because they're having fun?
And one last thing, I happen to think that having fun for fun's sake and making art for art's sake does change the world. This site makes the players who play here happier people. And happier people make the world better.
Thanks all, for jumping to my defense (and the defense of the game as a whole.) Much of what I'm going to say here has already been said by others, but since this thread does seem to be focused largely on me, it seems worth saying for myself as well.
For what it's worth, I don't fault Scienceguru for his or her comments. In fact, I quite agree with some of them.
Whether the US ought to support large science projects in Antarctica is certainly an issue worthy of debate. Big science is, at its heart, a public works project. We take public money, and use it to pay the salaries of people so they can do something we value. If enough people feel it not worth the cost, in money or environmental damage, then I readily concede that we ought not to be spending public money on it.
If you ask me, the potential science results from Ice Cube, SPT, and other science projects down here are worth the expense, especially when compared to the cost of a satellite mission, manned spaceflight, a war, a blockbuster film, or an advertising campaign for the latest piece of disposable consumer electronics.
But then, of course, I'm going to say that. I dig science, even science with no obvious application. Not just because it's how I pay my rent (it is, but there are certainly easier ways to do that), but also because asking fundamental questions about the universe is a large part of what makes life worth living. Though a more democratic decision making process would be a good idea, I've no complaints about the $1.50 of my US income taxes that got spent on Ice Cube and SPT this year, nor the cash that gets spent on science and arts projects about which I personally care little.
Regarding Raytheon, and it's role as a military contractor, Scienceguru will get no argument from me. As far as I can tell, the Polar Services entity is guilty only of turning a profit by filling a role that ought, in any reasonable system, to fall to a public institution. But there's no question that their parent company is bad news. Have I done less than I should to try to convince the NSF that choosing RPSC as a sole contractor is a bad idea? Probably. But obne can only take on so many issues.
On the subject of the dancing itself, I certainly agree that it's childish and silly and hasn't got a damned thing to do with the Biome trajectory, helping the world, or much of anything else worthwhile. But, it's also harmless and a few people here seem to enjoy it. Why am I doing it? Because Eddy asked me to do it, SPAR proposed an antarctic task just to be nice to me, and some other folks here thought it would be neat. No deeper reason. Is it a waste of time? Perhaps. It seems to have brought a smile to a few people, which is certainly more useful than the average randomly selected ten-second period from my daily life.
Regarding SF0 as a whole, Scienceguru's criticism seems unfair. Is this game the most efficient possible way to attack the world's inequalities and overthrow unfair political and economic systems? Not by a long shot.
But it doesn't claim to be. (Except in clearly absurd, hyperbolic group descriptions which no sane person could take seriously.)
It is a game. That's all.
At its very worst, it is harmless entertainment. Genuinely harmless, unlike so many other forms of popular entertainment, since it neither funnels money into the coffers of giant corporations nor trains participants to accept corrupt and destructive ideologies. At its best, it is an experiment in humanizing, democratic entertainment; an example of what leisure time could be in a world run by and for the benefit of its people, where community means more than going to the same Blockbuster video store.
It isn't enough to simply say, "this money/time/energy could be spent on helping people." That is true. But it is also true of countless billions of dollars and hours spent on any number of useless things. Must we feel guilty every time we see a film, read a novel, make love, enjoy a meal with friends, or tell a joke that doesn't attempt to transform our world for the better?
Perhaps we should. But, I've spend time with a fair number of dedicated activists and haven't encountered many who are able to live without any recreational activities at all. And the one or two who do fit that description haven't been among the most effective advocates for their respective causes, since they tend to come off as myopic, humorless weirdos when talking to the public.
Making the world better for all people is a worthy goal, and almost all of us should be spending more time on it than we currently do. But, making our own little pocket of the world a fun place to live is hardly the worst thing we could be spending our time on, especially if we do it in ways that cause no harm.
Finally, on two minor points that came up in the discussion:
* I actually agree with Scienceguru's opinion of my Street Transient completion. There's something genuinely ugly about it, and I am sorely tempted to ubsubmit, as I've mentioned to some of you in private. Doing the task, I defend as harmless fun which hurt nobody and provided me with an interesting experience. Documenting the task in a public forum is another matter, and one can easily argue that it does real harm.
* On the Greenpeace challenge, I'll see you. My monthy SF0 donation will be matched by an equal donation to Greenpeace, in perpetuity. And, less this come off as too conciliatory, I'll raise you one. I challenge Scienceguru to commit to matching what he spends on books, movies, and music with donations to the activist or social-service non-profit of his choice.
"Must we feel guilty every time we see a film, read a novel, make love, enjoy a meal with friends, or tell a joke that doesn't attempt to transform our world for the better?"
Of course not. But why must you spend hours posting a blog and assembling photos and videos of your admittedly pointless leisure time? Thus multiplying by at least 10 the amount of energy and time spent on your useless things? Do you really need 25 compliments and votes from each other every time you do the equivalent of "see a film, read a novel, make love, enjoy a dinner with friends or tell a joke"?
And if you do - and who am I to assess a person's self-esteem - why wouldn't you do it privately like the rest of the world does? Why make a public spectacle of it and attach all this hyperbolic, exaggerated language?
It's called trying to have it both ways. It's important. Wait no, it isn't. It's just stupid fun. Wait no, it's an experiment in democratizing humanity and re-defining leisure time. Wait no, it's harmless. Well, what is it?
Yep, the noobs are going to Blockbuster and it's the death of community. And these noobs are filming themselves doing a hula on a glacier. Such a more interesting, creative death of community. Thats the point? That you're wasting more time, more energy, and more creativity on your down time than the other lemmings?
Isn't it vaguely disturbing that, glacier guy, you're saying yourself that what your fellows presented as one of the MOST inspirational things on this site and proof of what an amazing person you are is, in your opinion, "genuinely ugly" and "really harmful"?
If nothing else comes out of this, maybe you can all have some kind of talk about why you're inspired and made happy by such "ugliness".
Since you seem a little confused.
Well, it's been eye-opening ....
Whilst trying to make the planet a better place to live in, don't forget how to live...
EDIT: Also, everyone has a different opinion, just because I thought Street Transient was inspirational doesn't make it the opinion of the entire site. I don't understand enough of the science talk going on in this thread to have much of an opinion on the topic in hand, however, I do have an opinion on the way you conducted yourself towards a well respected member of the community.
Surely there's a better use of your anger than to shout at a person you do not know in a comment thread?
Seriously guys, stop feeding the troll. Anybody who'd takes this much time to complain about things while failing to take the time to even complete Player Photograph is pretty clearly a troll.
Y'know, most internet sites where users post stuff have this magical ability to take people who are blatantly trolls and make them unable to continue to spread their shit by preventing the account from logging in again. The procedure is colloquially referred to as "banning."
Just a thought.
Why dance on antarctica? The reason is simple.
It's not sufficient to save the world. You also have to ensure that there's a world worth saving. A world without simple pleasures and a community to share them with is not worth fighting for. You cannot simultaneously forget what it is you fight for and succeed in saving it.
Many (most?) of us here are trying to change the world in some way. But this is, for the most part, not the place we do it -- we come here to have fun, in a relatively unconventional way. If SF0 is not for you, I don't fault you for that. But I sincerely hope that in your efforts to change the world you don't lose sight of what you're hoping to preserve.
"You also have to ensure that there's a world worth saving. A world without simple pleasures and a community to share them with is not worth fighting for. You cannot simultaneously forget what it is you fight for and succeed in saving it"
There is a world worth saving. It's right in front of your face. It doesn't require long involved blogs documenting things like cheating at the toll bridge, throwing darts at a chart or staying out all night pretending to be a homeless person (to mention three that you've had me look at). These aren't the simple pleasures of life : they're tortured jokes designed to impress yourselves.
You dance for the joy of dancing - if you dance at all. Not to film yourself and put it on the internet. The pleasure is the dancing itself - or it's no authentic pleasure at all.
It's plenty sufficient to save the world, or it would be if it were even possible at this point. And dancing and enjoying and sharing WHILE you try to do it. Like I said, if you can't connect your fun with what matters to you, than it's all a lot less than it could be. And that's annoying.
"It's plenty sufficient to save the world, or it would be if it were even possible at this point. And dancing and enjoying and sharing WHILE you try to do it."
So if saving the world is impossible, lets all give up and go have even more fun.
You can't dedicate every waking moment of your life to one thing, it'll send you crazy.
OK "guru", 2 things continue to bug me.
actually, there's a whole slew of crap you spew that continues to bug me, but I'll address two here to try to keep it short.
First, you rant about how first we say sf0 is this, and then we say it is that and say that is a problem. You say,
It's called trying to have it both ways. It's important. Wait no, it isn't. It's just stupid fun. Wait no, it's an experiment in democratizing humanity and re-defining leisure time. Wait no, it's harmless. Well, what is it?This is your myopicasity speaking (yes, I made that up, and if it is a real word I get a triple word score bonus). It doesn't have to be any one of those things. It can, and it is all of those things. Some of the task completions are important. Some are just stupid fun. Some are just stupid. We can have it both, and all, ways. Stop being so narrow minded.
Second, you seem to have a problem with us sharing our experiences. You belittle at every opportunity anyone who decides to share anything regarding their experience on this site. You say,
But why must you spend hours posting a blog and assembling photos and videos of your admittedly pointless leisure time? Thus multiplying by at least 10 the amount of energy and time spent on your useless things?Because we want to share it with our friends, and they want to share it with us, and through all of this we want to make new friends (like you *could* be if you'd stop judging us). I've made so many great new friends all over the world through this site. Friends who I long to see if I've missed them for even a short time, or friends who I long to meet if they live to far away to hug hello for the first time. Isn't that what the internet is for, sharing?
You go on to say,
You dance for the joy of dancing - if you dance at all. Not to film yourself and put it on the internet. The pleasure is the dancing itself - or it's no authentic pleasure at all.But part of dance is dancing with others. There is solo dance, and what you say is true about that (although you leave out any of the pleasures of performance, which should also be considered), but dancing with another is MORE than just the joy of the dance. And what if the one or ones you wish to dance with are a world away. What is wrong with using technology to share that dance with those you miss?
And you act like we are never critical of one another on this site. i can't tell you the number of arguments that go on here on pretty much a daily basis. We don't just pat one another on the back here and vote and give points. Very often there is real, critical, thoughtful discussion and heated debate over a great many things. But even when we get mad, we try to keep civil, try not to belittle one another, and if we do, we usually get called on it and apologize and become friends again. We share, and sharing is good, and I don't understand why you have to belittle it or us for it.
You see, SF0 is a system that is set up to offer two things: the opportunity to interpret a set of criteria in your own fashion and share and compare it with others who are interpereting the same or similar criterion. The tasks and groups give a framework only, but they don't tell you what to do. The game is an experiment in interpretation and communal sharing of those interpretations. The interpretations are about just about everything imaginable, as each individual brings their own histories to bear on each task. I am an artist, and most of my tasks bear some sort of an artistic bent, even those under the banner of Biome.
Biome, by the way, is not necessarily eco friendly. Ripping out a tree and burning it is as likely a possible task as planting one. Each group examines many facets of a particular "trajectory of desire", so assuming that a Biome task placed in Antarctica should be eco friendly is missing the point. Hell, an Antacrtic Biome task could be to make a full size replica of Mount Rushmore out of the ice there, cutting away huge parts and dropping them in to the water to melt. Not particularly eco friendly, but it does examine the "trajectory of desire" faithfully.
I just wish you'd stop belittling everyone here for being friends and sharing our experiences in this game with one another, and either play or go away. Again, I don't know what your goal really is, or why this gets you off. If you like SF0, then stick around and play and become our friend (though you'll have some damn amazing tasking to pull off to earn back the points you've lost in this discussion for a lot of us). If not, stop trying so hard to be our enemy and just go away.
I don't believe in banning, and I don't believe you are a true troll (though your hunger for negative comments is starting to steer me otherwise). I believe in the communitiy sharing in the moderation of the behavior if the members of that community. Regardless of your reasons for joining, you took that 5 minutes and joined, so I'm trying damn hard to treat you lilke one of "us". If you want to be one of us. keep commenting. If you don't, stop wasting your time and leave.
...ahem.
Honestly, I don't have anything to add to the above discussion.
However, I did find it funny that I instinctually checked for hidden text in his whitespace.
And JTony, you get...TRIPLE WORD SCORE BONUS (from an honest-to-God Linguist©)
Myopicasity is a word due to your using it and my (and others) understanding it.
(by the way, you know how you had that idea for neg votes? Can we get neg comment votes?)
Sorry, Oungan, I mentioned that you'd been conspicuously absent on this one.
Lowteck - You know, I tried to go find a lolcat for troll starvation awareness and I completely failed. So thank you for doing it for me.
This whole thing is pretty funny....everyone defending this task to some girl//other doesn't really understand the point of SF0 are clearly just wasting their time and feeding the kind of response this person wants and expects.
Whoever this person is has a point about Raytheon though. Fuckers.
As for the idea that the (presumably American, although this applies to a lot of regimes) government would ever just spend that kind of money to help distribute food, pharmaceuticals, mosquito nets, or any type of large scale aid to the poor people of much of Africa is laughable. The people that control these funds don't give a tiny god damned shit about the starving, the poor, the sick. To really expect that this money would ever be spent in that manner is overly idealistic. Would i like to see this happen? Yes. Of course. It's just not the way it works.
I also think that it is shortsighted to say that basically all of the research being done there is a complete waste of money and time.
That being said, the environmental impact of the varied science stations, and especially the impact of supplying these stations is pretty ridiculous.
As is all the arguing about this.
Oh ya, and if you really care that much about the environment, stop trying to provide better health care to people and let them all die. The environmental impact that you make saving human lives is probably pretty atrocious. If you just let these people die, that's a lot less environmental destruction.
But Frostbeard, I don't think that environmental impact is really the "guru"'s point. It is more of a "how can you sleep while the beds are burning" kind of question. Of course, we've already seen how you Vikings handle that one.
The "guru" wants no one to have fun or enjoyment unless it is in the name of something he/she considers "worthwhile." And if they do, they damnwell better not discuss it with anyone, or, heaven forbid, share their fun on the net.
To this, I call bullshit, plain and simple.
And, as for feeding the troll, I've already said I don't consider "guru" a true troll, and I think the argument presented, and especially the defense, important.
But I've said what I need already, already got my triple word score (Yay!!!!), so now I'll shut up and let someone else have a turn.
This is a lot of stuff to respond too and I have to do some work tonight, so those many of you who sent me private messages will have to wait. With apologies, but there isn't any time to wend through Chomsky and Foucault at the moment, much less the rest of it. You are a prolific bunch. And for what it's worth : much more likable when you're not trying to out-snark each other in public.
Starting at the beginning : since when is what we're loosely referring to "saving the world" (which seems to refer to any conscious activity that strives to produce a tangible good or cause a change to happen or provide a useful service) ONE thing? The ways to be useful, pointed, helpful are virtually unlimited. There are a million ways to contribute to saving the word in a million different ways - limited only by your imaginations. Or perhaps by peer pressure to avoid such helpless lack of cool in this public. That's really the only answer I can come up with for why all this energy seems to be so angrily devoted to being as pointless as possible.
That's a miasma. You can have a whale of a time and do something that reaches a slightly higher standard than non-harmful. The separation between fun and meaningful is in your heads. It's not real. It might be more fun and require less ponderous documentation than all the stupidity. And you wouldn't need to argue whether staying out all night pretending you are homeless and blogging about it is inspirational or ugly. No reason to be driven crazy by having a point.
You give a long rant about making friends, J-Tony. Who cares? Make all the friends you want. But why get all twizzy when someone makes a Myspace comparison? Same thing. Just a lot more work and energy to get there. And a lot of annoying pretentious language. Not to mention your negative comment vote - that's a very Myspacian touch. I know we all got through high school that way, but at least for some of us - it's over.
"Ripping out a tree and burning it is as likely a possible task as planting one."
Great. And I guess a humanitarian crusade is to mug an old lady. And an Equivalenz task is to sabotage a library computer system. And a BARTPA task is to spray an annoying smell into a commuter train. Aren't you getting a little far away from the harmless edict espoused by glacier-guy?
Ergo: "if you really care that much about the environment, stop trying to provide better health care to people and let them all die. The environmental impact that you make saving human lives is probably pretty atrocious. If you just let these people die, that's a lot less environmental destruction".
The fun never stops around here, does it?
"Whoever this person is has a point about Raytheon though. Fuckers"
Yep. If the next glacier dance had a nasty comment implanted about the evil providers of free food and transportation in the video - that might be a redeeming touch. Could be worth a smile.
The original point was indeed that Antarctica and especially, especially that South Pole monstrosity, are an ecological and economic disaster. And if there's one thing I'm sick of, its smug boys boozing it up at the end of the earth. It's really not appealing and here it is. Your Loki doesn't sound as dopey as most of them do, but in the end, it's still I want what I want so I won't question all this too much. Fair enough, but also fairly criticized.
If you really think that fun and enjoyment are centered on ripping out a tree and burning it, than you're all a lot stupider than you appear. Which could be true. But I suspect not. I suspect you're just saying these moronic things because you're stung. And the way to deal with that is to stop striving to be as dumb as possible and use your good brains to do something with this online community that would be worth reading about.
There's your constructive criticism. As I said, take it and do something with it. Something rad.
It's your universe and your community. You can do anything you like. Connect your brains and your hearts and stop goofing around and making excuses. Life's too short.
The forum for getting us to do stuff will be here. Suggest some real practicaltasks.
I promised some good folk I wouldn't keep responding, but for clarity I had to say:
• I never even referenced myspace. Not even once.
• I didn't make the negative comment reference (though it is a funny but partially inside joke and I understand why "guru" doesn't get it)
• My reference to burning a tree was trying to illustrate the breadth of the trajectory of desire and I never once said I thought it was a good task to do.
Just making clear, because "guru" mixed a lot of what I did say with what others said, and also totally misconstrued a point that I thought was pretty clear.
Thank you. That is all.
Guys, I'm sorry.
This "Guru" thing is all my fault.
I'm starting to think that there's a good reason one stops believing in imaginary friends.
Imbuing them with life, as you've seen, becomes nothing but trouble. I'm sorry.
Interesting. False Friend, is it then?
I suspected something along those lines -- the guru's trolling seemed too well-targeted to have come from anywhere but inside the system.
So I´m not having my PM replied to, then?
(sigh, snif)
No, not quite like False Friend...
Although he is a figment of my imagination.
I was house sitting for my mother this last weekend and found an old shoe box in the closet.
A note in my handwriting was taped to it, a warning not to open the box. I ignored it, and now there's a furious 8-foot squirrel with a toaster for a head acting like a jerk.
I'm sorry, this is all my fault.
He's an imaginary friend, a toaster headed squirrel I put in a shoe box when I was in 5th grade. Like any imaginary friend, he'll calm down if you ignore him.
So we're being attacked by an angry tulpa, manifesting on the internet? That's interesting.
What the heck are you talking about? What's your fault? How?
"The point is to resist noise, speech and sounds by mobilizing the quietness of the photograph, resist movements, flow and speed by using its immobility, resist the explosion of communication and information by emphasizing its intimacy, and resist the categorical imperative of meaning by allowing its lack of rigid meaning."
And so the duel offer redoubles:
Whoever you are, there'd better be some praxis coming out of this bullshit, quick snap.
Given the many words already slung in this forum, if you can out-task me in a competition by means of photographic representation, I will acknowledge my defeat. The subject matter need not be scientific.
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Well, Jason, you're right, sort of.
He's like a tulpa, only more imaginary and shittier.
I shouldn't have ever let him out of the shoe box I trapped him in. I put him in there for a good reason.
He was always like this. He'd shave the neighbors dog, or set the neighbors' pool on fire, and I'd get blamed for it. Then my mom would yell at me for it. He wasn't any help, he'd just be hanging out under the kitchen table eating my damn cookies! We fought a lot, he'd get me into a lot of trouble. He wouldn't help at all, I'd take all the heat for the trouble he made. Just like now!
I have no control over him, I'm like frickin' Phoebe Cates over here.
Again, I'm sorry for the trouble he's caused. I wasn't even aware that he had left the house.
This time, I'll catch him in an Altoids tin and duct tape that thing shut.
OH NOES!!!!
We has Toezter Skwerrles!!!!!
Nah, it's not his fault ....
It all works out. Without me, you might've missed the opportunity to be as stupid as you could possibly be today, and then you'd be all disappointed with yourselves.
Such is the way most "experiments in democratizing humanity and re-forming leisure time" go.
We've experimented. The answer is toaster squirrels. I feel democratized and re-formed now.
Rad, man.
I can see why you shower each other with compliments. You handle criticism with a startling lack of panache.
Uber Shplankt with Awesome Sauce!
not random question: How are two people now working on this task? Are there other people from SF0 in Antarctica?
Sight-seeing/Traveling? Maybe?
This reminds me of a time when I was playing four square with my friends in elementary school. A kid playing soccer walked up to us and started kicking the ball, disturbing our game, as we were passing the ball to each other. He said this to account for his actions: "This game is stupid. All you do is stand there and throw a ball."
:(
In all the pilava surrounding this task, we've missed the C of it all.
Excuse me, mister scienceguru, Yada yada yada, You'll gather more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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